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I have no doubt about clearance checks, but the result may just be: this can be used without any further actions or requirements .


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but then again like Wolkenkrabber has said, she wasn't the writer or owner of the lyrics even though she sung them. So is there legal grounds for crediting a vocalist? I have no clue.

I think your right! Take the Grammy awards for an example: The song of the year nominee. The winner of this award goes to the actual songwriter, not the singer or performer

I have no doubt about clearance checks, but the result may just be: this can be used without any further actions or requirements .

and Caroline Ellis (in a technical sense) didnt need to know, because this is the music business BUT

When I saw these tweets about spelling out the sample sources, I nearly thought this might be a response from HQ to our shenanigans.  ::)

Bosco, you and the rest of you forumites did a good thing. You brought out someone who was in obscurity for a long time and mentioined her while bringing her back to somewhat a relevant yet perfect timing in this day of age.( I think she just opened a twitter account because of this.)

I honestly think that the Chems and Caroline can wash this over behind the scenes. But would be cool if the Chems can make an exception to provide the credit.
This is up there. Like, Star Guitar up there.


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Weren't we speculating that they had recreated the sample? A la WGTT?

I know the tweet from the Brothers (HQ) mentions the Bugaloos as a direct sample, but if they did recreate it, AND it's not written by her, then there's even less reason to inform her. They didn't tell Diane Di Prima either. And likely because in both cases it's the record label that they're (the Chems' record label) dealing with for the performance rights. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of artists from that era really have no say what is done with their recorded work. And opening a dialogue with, in this case, someone who shouldn't legally be involved in the discussion, just adds extra headaches to all involved.

Interesting though. My wife has been asking me how the Bugaloos feel about their work becoming so integral to a CB tune and I didn't really have an answer until now! We were discussing the morality of recreating samples too - particularly faithful, almost indiscernible, recreations. It's definitely a murky lake to wade through.
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I don't think this is relevant here, but I recently read this twitter thread about Taylor Swifts music and IP laws, and this stuff is weeeird:
https://twitter.com/ThatsMauvelous/status/1380572708879089674

That is a wild story.

I have no doubt about clearance checks, but the result may just be: this can be used without any further actions or requirements .

I'm pretty sure this is the case. Agreed.

That being said, again, I'm sympathetic to Caroline Ellis. Assuming that her Twitter account is authentic, I would imagine it being quite shocking hearing your 50 year old recorded voice getting recycled into a song for today, and then also used for the opening/outro to a major promotional event for a company like Apple. Not being notified until after-the-fact, is pretty cold hearted.


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Interesting though. My wife has been asking me how the Bugaloos feel about their work becoming so integral to a CB tune and I didn't really have an answer until now! We were discussing the morality of recreating samples too - particularly faithful, almost indiscernible, recreations. It's definitely a murky lake to wade through.
Maybe I'm in a cold-hearted mood, but the Bugaloos were a TV Show band. If the Chems had sampled the Muppets singing something, should the muppet singers seek any special acknowledgement? Or if they sampled dialogue from Magnum PI (and paid the TV company), should Tom Selleck seek a credit?

Having said that, I suspect the reason for those Chemical tweets was nothing to do with us. We had the answers before the track came out! I suspect it was a way of "crediting" Ms Ellis. - Being polite (having clearly seen her tweet).

Also re the Soul Brothers Six sample, at first I said it was a direct sample, then I changed my mind and said it's been re-recorded. But following the Chems tweets which also went on their Facebook, a random fan on the Chems facebook page replied to me to suggest (i.e. guess) it is a direct sample that's been pitched up. And that's what I'm currently leaning towards FWIW.

As for re-recording/interpolation. Well, you're just doing a (bit of) a cover version. If you're paying the royaties I don't see a problem with that. I don't have a problem with Shinichi Osawa doing Star Guitar for example. The Chems liked it so much, he did DJ support for them on their last Japanese tour!

PS Stars On 45 were re-creating Beatles songs (amazingly well) for their disco-mix medley album (and singles) as far back as 1981.

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Weren't we speculating that they had recreated the sample? A la WGTT?

I know the tweet from the Brothers (HQ) mentions the Bugaloos as a direct sample, but if they did recreate it, ...
Caroline says in her one and only tweet that it is her.
« Last Edit: Apr 26, 2021, 11:34 by Wolkenkrabber »  
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I don't know whether it was there all along but they give full credits in the description below their video.

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Vocal samples: Caroline Ellis on The Bugaloos’ “The Senses Of Our World” (1970) & John Ellison on “I’ll Be Loving You" by Soul Brothers Six (1967)
Let your heart see the colors all around you
And the darkness that you fear will disappear


 

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