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Title: New Order
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Sep 11, 2015, 18:35
Well it's exactly two weeks until the release of New Order's Music Complete.
I felt it was worth it's own thread based on the fact that the band had a huge influence on the Chems, and now it seems Tom had a real influence on their music making process for the new album. Oh also all the reviews have been pretty good so far. The album has been garnering steady four star reviews, and the implication is that it's their best album since Technique. This despite (or because of?) Peter Hooks absence.

We know that Mr Rowlands was directly involved with Singularity and Unlearn This Hatred on the new album. There was a question mark over whether he was involved with their italo-disco experiment Tutti Frutti. It now seems that he was actually involved. At least in so far as finding the Italian guy who repatedly says' Tuuutti Fruuuutti' on the track.

There's a nice interview with New Order's Gillian Gilbert HERE (http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2015/09/new_orders_gill.html).
Re Tutti Frutti she says: " It was somebody that Tom Rowland knew from Chemical Brothers. He got hold of the track and Bernard said "Oh wouldn't it be good if we had somebody speaking Italian on it." So Tom got this guy he knew. He played it for us and it was so good that we kept it on the record. We don't know who he is, I will be quite interested to see him."

And elsewhere, Gillian discusses their approach to making music this time round (and Tom):
"We tended to jam a lot. Now you can take it home, think about it, change chords, and present what you've done. I think it was Tom Rowland who got us all together, working like that. Because me and him had never worked together, so it was nice having him around at the start of the LP. "Singularity" he wrote with us and we really liked that track. There was also "Unlearn This Hatred" which he and Bernard had already started working on, they had the lyrics and vocals..."

I stuck some of these clips on facebook when we were forum-less. Maybe not everyone here saw them.
Singularity (featuring Mr Rowlands):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SbkcTjJscA

Unlearn This Hatred (featuring Mr Rowlands)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aByJRI3_amE

I think this is Superheated (could be wrong) Academic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-qp6W3mgNo

I've already posted the video to Restless on the Now Playing thread. There are remixes from Agoria and RAC on youtube as well, and more remixes to come including an Andrew Weatherall remix. Although it isn't out I heard the Weatherall mix a while ago and it's better than the two remixes that are already on YT . Some of the reviews , such as this one from The Quietus (http://thequietus.com/articles/18623-new-order-music-complete-review) suggest that Restless is by no means one of the stronger tracks on the album.

For those interested, formats will include double clear vinyl, or an Eight piece multi coloured vinyl box set with extended versions of each track.  More details HERE. (http://store.neworder.com/)
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Joslyn on Sep 11, 2015, 20:11
very curious about the full lenght and extended versions of the tracks. I really like 'Here to stay'
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Sep 16, 2015, 09:05
PLASTIC (http://www.junodownload.com/ultraplayer/2886775-02-01-01.m3u?r=0&c=0&s=01-01)

I believe Americans can now buy this track on iTunes/Amazon. But I'm not American...
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Ben Glass on Sep 21, 2015, 08:36
Quote from: Skyscraper on Sep 16, 2015, 09:05

PLASTIC (http://www.junodownload.com/ultraplayer/2886775-02-01-01.m3u?r=0&c=0&s=01-01)

I believe Americans can now buy this track on iTunes/Amazon. But I'm not American...


Loving this track.
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: sneakerbeater on Sep 26, 2015, 11:53
been listening to this album on repeat this morning and it is damn fine!! its classic new order.

tutti fruitti
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Ben_j on Sep 27, 2015, 11:48
Quote from: Sneaker on Sep 26, 2015, 11:53

tutti fruitti
Yeah, I love this one the most !
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: NiCk.Dj on Sep 30, 2015, 17:36
Yes but I'm italian and when I've listen to Tutti Frutti it sounds a bit stupid the italian voice because the senteces doesn't have an apparently meaning
Anyway that's a beautiful song ;D :music
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: satur8 on Oct 04, 2015, 19:28
It does indeed have a classic New Order feel.  :music

The tracks produced by Tom are definitely highlights, and I'm with you guys on Plastic and Tutti Frutti.
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: ACIDCHILDREN on Oct 05, 2015, 21:12
This album is so good, love Tutti Frutti
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Oct 19, 2015, 17:59
Well I reckon it's been a good month since I've posted on here (not that y'all care). And that's at least in part down to me being distracted by Music Complete. I'm not sure that Tutti Frutti is one of my personal faves but it's been growing on me.

Quote from: NiCk.Dj on Sep 30, 2015, 17:36

Yes but I'm italian and when I've listen to Tutti Frutti it sounds a bit stupid the italian voice because the senteces doesn't have an apparently meaning
Anyway that's a beautiful song ;D :music

If you're reading this Nick.DJ, I think the Italian lyrics are as follows:
Tutti Frutti
Amore mio
Tutti frutti
No
Non è ancora il momento di entrare.
Non è ancora il momento di...

And later on:
Non mi interessa il nome vero
Non mi interessa la vita reale
Quella canzone
E tu? Sei tutti frutti

WhichI think translates as:
Tutti Frutti
My love
Tutti Frutti
no
It is not yet time to enter (or, to go??)
It is not yet time to ...

I don't care about your real name
I don't care about real life
That song
And you? You are Tutti Frutti

Nick can you confirm, or correct this if I have anything wrong?

I'll  do a seperate post on Tom Rowlands involvement with this track (and the other two MC tracks), but for now New Order are releasing this as a single. Supposedly this is out tomorrow as per THIS (http://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/tutti-frutti-new-order/5051083100410).  And possibly today in some territories.
It will also be released on 12" with an extended version of the original, and weirdly a "vinyl edit" of the Hot Chip remix. I'm not sure why they can't fit the full 11.43 of that remix on one side of a 12"...
Anyway the Hot Chip remix is damn fine IMO. Perhaps better than the original. See what you think:
https://soundcloud.com/neworderofficial/new-order-tutti-frutti-hot-chip-remix
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Oct 25, 2015, 20:49
So the night before Music Complete was released, Bernard Sumner did a track by-track interview/playback thing with John Kennedy of Radio X (The now re-branded Xfm). In fact it was the same night as the Chems Roundhouse gig, so most you wouldn't have heard it (and neither did I). I understand they actually ran out of time to broadcast the whole interview. But you can listen to the full 1hr25min interview on an itunes podcast here: Episode 159 (https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/john-kennedys-xposure-podcast/id444082953?mt=2)

Tom Rowlands gets mentioned:
Around 9 mins in. Discussing Singularity: "Tom likes sounds so sharp you could shave with them."
Around 24 mins. Discussing Tutti Frutti: "I could hear an Italian voice...Tom said: I know just the guy.  His name is Giacomo... I think he works in Tom's favourite sandwich shop".
1.01 to 1.04. Unlearn this Hatred. Both Tom and Steve Dub get a mention for their work on the track.

New Order also did one of those 6 Music performances recently  (as did Leftfield, Mercury Rev and a couple of other acts). The same as the Underworld one from last year, which many of you will remember.  Later on, Bernard was still hanging around Maida Vale and he did a brief interview on the Radcliffe & Maconie show. Listen HERE (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06djglg) on 43 minutes.

He talks about Tutti Frutti again, and mentions how he wanted to take the track in a disco diection whilst Tom wanted to take it in a harder direction. "We're still hoping that Tom will do a mix of it...we're just waiting for him to do it but he's on tour...". So despite the fact that Tutti Frutti has already been released as a single, we may yet get a Rowlands version of the track.  Fingers crossed...
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Redout_Chemical on Oct 27, 2015, 01:28
just had a chance to finally listen to all this......... all i can say is wow. This is GOOD. Especially Tutti Fruitti and Plastic.   Also being a bass player the bass playing and tone in Singularity is absolutely genius.
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Redout_Chemical on Oct 27, 2015, 02:09
PEOPLE ON THE HIGH LINE. jesus...........
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Born In Planet Dust on Nov 06, 2015, 05:06
FINALLY picked this up, listening now.  3 tracks in, liking. 
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: ThePumisher on Jan 24, 2016, 09:29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koXE2TuQ1_c
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Joslyn on Jan 24, 2016, 13:05
Just listened to it recently. Tom produced tracks are very regonizable.
I like a good chunk of it. Plastic and tutti frutti aren't amongst that. Although I listened to New Order first I have more love for Joy Division. All the 'electronic dance' music New Order have made sound so forced.
I wonder what the difference is between a Tom produced track and a Tom remixed track. Does Tom produced track sounds very Tomlike, more "through me EP" than New Order.

Does anyone have the 8 color vinyl version with the extended versions? Is it available digital somewhere? I'm very curious for that one.
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Jan 25, 2016, 02:56
Quote from: Joslyn on Jan 24, 2016, 13:05

All the 'electronic dance' music New Order have made sound so forced.
Blue Monday, Confusion, Shellshock? I quite like those.

Quote from: Joslyn on Jan 24, 2016, 13:05

Does anyone have the 8 color vinyl version with the extended versions? Is it available digital somewhere? I'm very curious for that one.
Try HERE (https://pro.beatport.com/stem-pack/academic-extended-mix/358) for Academic. If you click STEM (when you play the track) at the bottom of the page, you can play about on that Beatport page, playing the Drums, vocals, bass and melody in isolation. For the 8-vinyl version of Tutti Frutti go HERE. (http://www.junodownload.com/products/new-order-tutti-frutti-extended-mix/2957520-02/) You may also wish to read this: STEMS (http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2015/12/07/new-order-releases-single-in-ni-stems-format/)
As for the rest of the tracks, well the guy who runs this New Order Radio (http://www.radionomy.com/en/radio/neworder/index) station has put all the extended mixes into the playlist, but they're interspersed with every other New Order track in existence so you could be waiting a while to hear them all.
I understand that a downoad card did come with the 8-piece vinyl, so the tracks are out there. I hear that the words Soul and Seek might be of use. I've actually never used SS, and am a bit wary about downloading some sort of connection and allowing people to access files on my computer.  Perhaps someone with a bit more knowledge could PM me to put my mind at rest...

One final piece of news: Singularity will be the next single, due out in March. Mixes (on the 12") will be:
Extended Mix (I don't know if that'll be the same one on the 8-piece vinyl)
Mark Reeder Duality remix
Erol Alkan's Extended Mix (Whoop!  Looking forward to this)
ZS Zeiter Dub.
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Nekcore on Jan 25, 2016, 03:12
Massive!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=104XIx7qHDE
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Feb 02, 2016, 12:06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zqsg2g2WZE

American tour dates go on sale on Friday. (http://www.neworder.com/newordernow)
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: androidgeoff on Feb 02, 2016, 19:50
There is a Chicago show!
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: WhiteNoise on Feb 02, 2016, 21:14
Everything Everything in Chicago in April. Joywave supporting Metric in Indianapolis in March. Kraftwerk/Caribou/Boyz Noise/Four Tet/John Digweed/Scuba plus more in Detroit in May. And now New Order too?!?

GUYS I'M NOT MADE OF MONEY!
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: ThePumisher on Feb 02, 2016, 23:13
http://singularity-neworder.com/
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Feb 05, 2016, 13:23
Live visuals:

https://vimeo.com/153961792

https://vimeo.com/153960672

https://vimeo.com/153960929

https://vimeo.com/153961215

https://vimeo.com/153961448
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: NiCk.Dj on Feb 06, 2016, 11:14
Quote from: Skyscraper on Oct 19, 2015, 17:59

Well I reckon it's been a good month since I've posted on here (not that y'all care). And that's at least in part down to me being distracted by Music Complete. I'm not sure that Tutti Frutti is one of my personal faves but it's been growing on me.

If you're reading this Nick.DJ, I think the Italian lyrics are as follows:
Tutti Frutti
Amore mio
Tutti frutti
No
Non è ancora il momento di entrare.
Non è ancora il momento di...

And later on:
Non mi interessa il nome vero
Non mi interessa la vita reale
Quella canzone
E tu? Sei tutti frutti

WhichI think translates as:
Tutti Frutti
My love
Tutti Frutti
no
It is not yet time to enter (or, to go??)
It is not yet time to ...

I don't care about your real name
I don't care about real life
That song
And you? You are Tutti Frutti

Nick can you confirm, or correct this if I have anything wrong?

I'll  do a seperate post on Tom Rowlands involvement with this track (and the other two MC tracks), but for now New Order are releasing this as a single. Supposedly this is out tomorrow as per THIS (http://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/tutti-frutti-new-order/5051083100410).  And possibly today in some territories.
It will also be released on 12" with an extended version of the original, and weirdly a "vinyl edit" of the Hot Chip remix. I'm not sure why they can't fit the full 11.43 of that remix on one side of a 12"...
Anyway the Hot Chip remix is damn fine IMO. Perhaps better than the original. See what you think:
https://soundcloud.com/neworderofficial/new-order-tutti-frutti-hot-chip-remix

I think the lyrics are:
Tutti frutti
Amore mio
Tutti frutti
No
Non è ancora il momento di diventare (or entrare)
Non è ancora...

________

Non mi interessa il mondo vero
Non mi interessa la vita reale
Quella canzone
E tu? sei tutti  frutti
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Feb 17, 2016, 23:56
Quote from: Skyscraper on Jan 25, 2016, 02:56

One final piece of news: Singularity will be the next single, due out in March. Mixes (on the 12") will be:
Extended Mix (I don't know if that'll be the same one on the 8-piece vinyl)
Mark Reeder Duality remix
Erol Alkan's Extended Mix (Whoop!  Looking forward to this)
ZS Zeiter Dub.

Heard this Erol mix.  Liking it. As you might expect, it's more 'dancable' than the original but remains reasonably faithful to it.

Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Feb 18, 2016, 22:14
Ok, so now the tracklist for the CD single of Singularity has been announced. Some of the mixes are different from  the 12".  Tom Rowland's Tutti Frutti remix gets a physical release here for those who like to own Chemical stuff in that form (mind you, Tom contributed to Singularity anyway, so I guess the same applies). I imagine that Erol's Stripped mix is going to sound similar to the first couple of minutes of his Extended Rework, but we shall have to wait and see...
(I believe the 12" mentioned in the post above will come with a download code for those wanting to have all the mixes on their computer/phone etc).

1    Singularity (Single Edit)    
2    Singularity (Extended Mix)    
3    Singularity (Erol Alkan's Stripped Mix)    
4    Singularity (Mark Reeder's Duality Remix Edit)    
5    Singularity (JS Zeiter Remix)    
6    Tutti Frutti (Tom Rowland's Remix)
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Feb 22, 2016, 17:02
https://vimeo.com/155966737

release details HERE (http://www.mutebank.co.uk/mutebank/mutebank/Singularity-CD-12-Purple-Vinyl-Bundle/53J40000000)
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Bosco on Feb 27, 2016, 01:04
Add me to the laundry list of people who "finally" listened to the new album...

holy feck! I tutti frutti'ed all over myself this album is so good!!!

So amped to see them in a few weeks!
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Enjoyed on Feb 28, 2016, 00:03
I also finally listened to it the other day. It's a lot of fun! I've never been a huge New Order fan, but I always tell people how much better they are than Joy Division (who I can't stand) and this album made me feel good about telling people that.

'Plastic' is my favourite tune. Kinda hoping they play Glastonbury now.
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: androidgeoff on Feb 28, 2016, 00:40
I have not gotten around to the album, but the songs I have listened to have been well worth the listen.

Oddly enough, I wake up with Tutti Frutti playing in my head. Usually it is Tom's version, but not always.
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Joslyn on Mar 04, 2016, 19:41
It's gonna be a triple dip on Singularity.
Vinyl for extended mix
Cd for radio edit, tutti frutti Tom mix and Erols stripped version
Download for all the above and Erols Extended version

And the album for Unlearn the Hatred.
New Order is making collectors pay.
(I'm probably just going to get the download)

Singularity is by far the best track on Music: Complete. I don't like Plastic or Tutti Frutti at all. Stray Dog is good and I like Academic and Nothing but a Fool. Superheated sounds like the Killers covered by New Order which is OK in my book.

Can someone help my out with Unlearn the Hatred extended version? (pm thk u)
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Mar 04, 2016, 21:19
Quote from: Enjoyed on Feb 28, 2016, 00:03

Kinda hoping they play Glastonbury now.
This is happening. Saturday night, the "Other stage". Announcement soon.
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Enjoyed on Mar 04, 2016, 21:44
Source?

That ties in well with Underworld being busy on the Saturday...
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: whirlygirl on Mar 08, 2016, 15:32
Quote from: Bosco on Feb 27, 2016, 01:04

Add me to the laundry list of people who "finally" listened to the new album...

holy feck! I tutti frutti'ed all over myself this album is so good!!!

So amped to see them in a few weeks!

It took me long enough, too!

But I first heard it in its entirety in late January, when I was road tripping to Arizona. Fantastic album - New Order still got it going on!
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Mar 10, 2016, 16:55
Quote from: Skyscraper on Feb 17, 2016, 23:56

Heard this Erol mix.  Liking it.
And here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey6p5wtSuB4&sns=em
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: ThePumisher on Mar 10, 2016, 18:36
Orkestra Obsolet - Blue Monday 1933

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a2tSJZ8NPU
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: WhiteNoise on Mar 11, 2016, 18:20
I'm joining the ranks of people just now getting around to the album.

This is... their best. The strongest, most solid offering I've ever heard from them. IMO their albums tend to be a bit hit and miss, you know, a mix of their always-good hits alongside a pretty even distribution of great cuts and worse cuts. But Music Complete is absolute non-stop hits and good cuts. I'll do a track by track later, I'm blown away by it, but for right now I just want to highlight Nothing But A Fool as one of the best songs they've done in years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJr2URBi5Gw

Fully expect to lose my shit this Wednesday.
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Born In Planet Dust on Mar 15, 2016, 17:40
Being an album without Peter Hook, this album is sooo much better than it has any right to be!  I wouldn't rank it with my favorites in their discography, but it is really fucking good.  On a side note, there's nothing like finding out that New Order was in NYC the same time as you but that their $90 tix @ Radio City Music Hall were already sold out.  :(
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: neorev on Mar 25, 2016, 01:43
Tom Rowlands remix of Tutti Frutti available on the Singularity remix EP...
https://bleep.com/release/70752-new-order-singularity
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Bosco on Mar 26, 2016, 04:43
Really awesome show in Chicago last week. I love the Chicago Theatre but it wasn't the right venue for the dancey vibe of New Order. We were really restricted by the seated venue to move around too much, and I wanted to get my freak on. That being said, if it was a non-seated venue I don't think the older fans would have been present, which made up a great portion of the attendance. Thumbs up to the 40+! ;D

Their set list is so great. I was greatly surprised by the live rendition of "Waiting For the Sirens' Call" (awesome visuals to boot!). And of course "Temptation" is just a thing of beauty. That song never gets old, and gives you such a rush of serenity while being played live. The only down time was surprisingly, "Blue Monday". I know it's there most successful single and I love the song, but goddamn if sucked the energy out of the show. It really was the only time during the night that if felt like they let go of the rope.

Additionally, It was great seeing My boyz Whitenoise and Androidgeoff again. Love you bruvs
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: androidgeoff on Mar 26, 2016, 16:29
tutti
frutti

Excellent show. We were all exhausted the next day
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 07, 2016, 12:06
Released on 12" in Japan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xq2Uug3i4U#t=238
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Joslyn on May 13, 2016, 20:58
New Order have released Complete Music. A double album with all the extended versions of the trucks from Music Complete.
This one is the one to buy.
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on May 18, 2016, 17:56
Quote from: Skyscraper on Mar 04, 2016, 21:19

This is happening. Saturday night, the "Other stage". Announcement soon.
Quote from: Enjoyed on Mar 04, 2016, 21:44

Source?

That ties in well with Underworld being busy on the Saturday...
Um, here. (http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/17/get-ready-for-clashes-first-set-times-for-glastonbury-2016-have-leaked-5888388/) (you buying that?)

Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Enjoyed on May 18, 2016, 21:41
Hmmm. Headliners could be pretty accurate. Pretty bummed to be missing LCD.
I'll wait for the official official announcement though to start getting really upset.

There's really not that much this year. Which is good as I tend to pair each day down to three acts I really want to see any way. But still, I'd like the choice.
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Fine Time on May 19, 2016, 06:20
Going  to  see  these  tribute  bands  at  my  local  live  music  venue  tomorrow  night  ,  should  be  good.  I've  seen  Transmission  before  ,  so  I  know  i'll  enjoy  them  ,  but  will  be  excited  to  see  and  hear  the  New  Order  tribute  for  the  first  time  ,  hoping  for  some  songs  off  Technique  ,  especially  Vanishing  Point.

       (http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/DJ7FLAME/%20Friday%20May%2020th%20Flowerpot%20Derby_zpsaijxwoky.png) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/DJ7FLAME/media/%20Friday%20May%2020th%20Flowerpot%20Derby_zpsaijxwoky.png.html)
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Fine Time on May 21, 2016, 09:03
Quick  Post  Gig  Review :  True  Order  are  a  seriously  good  New  Order   tribute  band  ,  if  they  ever  perform  in  your  area  check  them  out  ,  they  played  so  many  great  songs  from  New  Order's  back  catalogue  and  performed  recent  single  ' Singularity '  ,  . . .   they  ended  with  Temptation  ,  .  .  .  awesome !!!
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Jun 21, 2016, 14:45
People On The High Line isn't my fave song on the current album, but I gueess it has a catchy vibe that might work as a single.
The first of the remixes is HERE (https://www.beatport.com/release/people-on-the-high-line/1790032). I think there will be more mixes to come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caIKPSadWi0&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Aug 06, 2016, 13:18
^ All the remixes of POTHL are out now. These remixers may not be in their prime, but I like the fact that Hybrid and Planet Funk have tried to do something different with it. Especially as it was one of my least favourite tracks on the album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qW6R1uE1k8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lwo8pIW0Z4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT7J8jRr7nw

Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: ThePumisher on Aug 10, 2016, 09:05
New Order releasing their own beer

http://www.nme.com/news/new-order/95571
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Enjoyed on Aug 16, 2016, 09:54
That Hybrid remix is great.
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: ThePumisher on Sep 27, 2016, 19:03
People On The High Line

https://vimeo.com/183829246
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Oct 17, 2016, 21:51
Fritz Von Runte (https://www.discogs.com/artist/1979860-Fritz-Von-Runte) was allowed access to the masters for the whole Music Complete album. His resulting remix album (http://www.neworderremixed.com/) is available for free download. May be of interest to one or two of you.
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: WhiteNoise on Feb 23, 2017, 16:57
I wrote up a huge review of the New Order concert in April for an English class I was in, and I can't believe I never posted it here. 10 months late but maybe you'll enjoy.




This washed over me. I was not in the most alert of states for this show, thanks to (we'll say) a lack of sleep and a very empty stomach, which isn't a lie – I'd eaten nothing since the bowl of cereal I quickly shoveled down at 9am. And I had been on my feet all day, snooping about downtown Chicago, and rushing to Bucktown where a custom shirt I'd designed the night before (hence the lack of sleep) was being printed. So despite my eagerness, part of me didn't realize how much I was experiencing in the moment.

New Order probably doesn't mean the same thing to me as it does to many people. To some, they're icons, and heroes, the ones who wrote the soundtrack to many teenage nights alone and far from it, nights that aren't coming back except on moments like these. To me, well. I wasn't there for any of that. I've only ever given a damn about them since 2009, when I heard a recording of the The Chemical Brothers playing part of Temptation live. Temptation drew me in, became a mainstay  – it was rock music I'd never heard anything like before – but the rest of their music was elusive. They became one of those bands I began appreciating more with age, coming back to every few months, and as I began binge-ing on their music in the week before the show, something in my 19 year old self started understanding in a way my 13 year old self absolutely couldn't. As much as I love them, though, New Order's always going to be my favorite band's favorite band. Like how you love the music your parents played you, it's for reasons that are at least once or twice removed.

This was why the crowd watching here was so damn good. All ages of people were here – kids were brought along by their 20 to 30-something parents, who still looked like they were entrenched in their high school's alt scene, similarly aged hipsters with beards and beanies and Joy Division shirts, people my parents age who looked like they were there when New Order happened, and even older – we met a couple on the metro in their upper 60s, who claimed to have been there since the beginning, and were reeking of youthful excitement to see them live for the very first time. The vicarious experiences of everyone in the room were enough to make the youth in the room wistful and nostalgic, and the more experienced dance like it was 20 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDBa1jgwR7k

It was cinema when they took the stage – the combination of Wagner's Das Rheingold (Vorspiel), a thousand oceanic lights drenching the historic theater in heavenly patterns, and a few thousand more voices and cheers was breathtaking. The band took the stage, with roars of approval, and as the recorded orchestra faded, the band launched into Singularity, the lead single from their latest album. Complete with visuals of punks against the Berlin Wall, it's a strong opener, that they tear into without mistake. And everyone's sitting. For only specific artists would I want to attend a sit-down concert, and New Order is far from being one of them. Yes, it's a seated venue, I shouldn't be complaining – but it's more than a little frustrating that I have to be sitting for this.

Jarringly, after Singularity, the band goes right into Ceremony. Ceremony is a classic, a favorite, something you wouldn't blow so early on in the setlist, you'd want to save it for later where it would have some serious impact. So this was downright bizarre to hear so early in a show, when the crowd still isn't warmed up. A few people stood – one woman sporting a green shirt with the Ceremony sleeve art on it was jamming away a few rows back – but it was the combination of a few people deciding to make this their moment with the song, many people wanting to but feeling awkward about standing in front of anyone sitting, and a few people looking rather bored, that gave the song a strange atmosphere. It was like listening to a favorite song without paying attention to it, and only realizing it was on once it's over. To make things weirder, Academic followed Ceremony. It's a really simplistic and standard rock song, easily one of the most forgettable tracks off their latest album, and it didn't live up to the prestige that Ceremony half-delivered. In a strange way, actually, it was underwhelming in a way that fit the unexpected placement of Ceremony, and at the very least, segued nice. I was having a good time, but this wasn't the concert I imagined.

After the fact, I learned that Academic was a very recent addition to the setlist, and that Regret – one of my favorites, and an underrated classic – took the place of Ceremony after the Chicago date. Regret's a wonderful song and in my opinion, does a much better job of bridging between Singularity and Academic. I almost think I'd rather hear a set without Ceremony just to have more cohesion in that intro setlist, but for what it's worth, I'm extremely glad I got to hear Ceremony played live. I can't say it beats hearing the original March recording though, live it felt too fast and too organized.

Their 2001 comeback hit Crystal was next, happily. I really enjoy the song, and wasn't expecting to hear it, as I wasn't sure it was still considered part of their popular canon. The piano breakdown was very immersive. The backing vocals were pre-recorded, however – New Order has never had a female singer as a member of the group (unless you count the 3 or 4 times Gillian's spoken or sung on various tracks), but they've used session vocalists frequently, and I thought they might be touring with some backup singers to fill in those parts. I was a bit disappointed, as in my mind, this hurt my chances of hearing Nothing But A Fool played out live.

I should probably take a moment to talk about Nothing But A Fool, and by extension their latest album. Music Complete is easily their best album in ages – in some ways the most confidently 'New Order' work they've ever released, an album by a band that's doing exactly what it wants to, and knows how to do it. This is saying something exceptional, considering it's the first album without distinctive bassist Peter Hook, who had been with the group since the very beginning. Thanks to disagreements between him and Bernard Sumner that had been with the band likely ever since they started pursing a more danceable sound, Hooky left the band on very acrimonious terms. Hook's signature sound of high-bass sounds frequently used as a lead instrument was a defining part of many seminal New Order tracks, and many didn't believe the band could continue without him. Music Complete is something of a triumph then – as someone else put it, "without Peter Hook, this album is so much better than it has any right to be!"

And Nothing But A Fool, track 8 on the record, is one of the best songs they've ever written. It's up there with Temptation, Bizzare Love Triangle, etc. It combines a barren (almost spaghetti western) guitar soundtrack, an electronic Krautrock beat, soulful disco backing vocals, simple uplifting rhythm guitars and string arpeggios that could put U2 to shame, and a confidently vulnerable performance from Bernard to create an 8 minute masterpiece of music that couldn't have be made by anyone but New Order at the top of their game.

And those backing vocals are key part of the song. My fingers are crossed as the band ends Crystal and moves on into Restless, a song about excess enhanced by its obvious yet ambiguous music video, on display on the large screens in the background. Not to say the band wasn't enjoyable to watch – they were exactly as I expected them to be, in some ways more confident on stage than I'd ever expected. Stephen Morris, drum nerd, is gleefully pounding away at his kit and the sequencers surrounding him, Gillian Gilbert is resolute and deceptively shy, attending to her keyboards with quiet grace, and Bernard, in all his middle-aged glory, is honestly energetic on stage, engaging the crowd and delivering flawless vocals on top it all. Even Stephen Cunningham and Tom Chapman had presence, 'new guy' Chapman taking the stage and the applause as much as you'd expect the venerable Hook to have done in his heyday. Not that I had the best view sitting in our balcony seats, but I don't need to count their wrinkles to enjoy seeing an amazing band in 3D for the first time.

I mentioned everyone sitting, and nearly everyone still was. Those who were standing seemed to be mostly younger fans, those who came as a group for a party, while most of the 30 and up crowd were not on their feet – either they'd been like that the whole show, or had promptly sat down once Ceremony ended. It seemed the new album, and honestly most of their work since 2001, didn't do much for them, in spite of how over the moon I was about it. I was starting to worry I wouldn't have a chance to properly get my boogie on.

Luckily, I wouldn't have to worry about this for long.
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: WhiteNoise on Feb 23, 2017, 16:58
(continued)

This concert's surprises were not limited to the strange opening set, and they got better as the show progressed. The next was the band launching into Love Vigilantes, a jangley upbeat song about a soldier coming home to find his wife recently dead on the floor, clutching a telegram reporting his death overseas. The song is a bit of a fan classic, it's the lead song off Low-Life and features a shockingly country sound that absolutely doesn't set the pace for the rest of the album. For the intro Bernard broke out the old melodica, a ridiculously old electronic flute synthesizer, to enormous cheers throughout the theatre. The crowd sang along to the song louder than before, and the mood finally felt like it had broken into "concert" mode, as if the first 5 songs had been warmups. The band's performance was spot on to the original, hardly a note off.

This led into an even bigger shocker. As Bernard held on to the melodica, a vintage sequenced synth riff started, motorik drums kicked in, and that silly little Kraftwerk ripoff from Power Lies and Corruption began in all its glory – Your Silent Face. This is a deep album cut, nowhere near a single, and I was blown away they were playing it! I've now learned that it's a song they've made a tradition out of playing live, it being another fan favorite, but in the moment I was convinced I was hearing something special – them playing the one weird tune off the album I love the most. The visuals were serene show-intro-style shots of the Earth passing by, the melodica was a hit again, and Bernard's "why don't you piss off" lyrical moment was met with cheeky whoops from the audience. Still, there were few standers – while these were hits with the 'original fans', they weren't the sort of songs you'd get up for.

Appropriately, the next two songs absolutely were: Tutti Frutti and People on the High Line. These two tracks seamlessly bridge into each other on the album, and couldn't be more disco if people tried blowing them up in the middle of a baseball stadium. It was a very smart choice to play the electronic Your Silent Face before this, as the concert had launched from post-punk and new wave rock to full on dance. Musically, the band was in fine form, improvising from the original song more so than they had done with the more traditionally instrumented songs at the start. And lyrically, Tutti Frutti read like a love letter to the fans (so much that I'd expected it to be played as the final song). People on the High Line, a mantra of passion and determination, flowed seamlessly out of Tutti Frutti and brought the funk in thanks to Cunningham's impressive guitar skills. The combined energy of the songs was commanding, the performance had truly entered its stride, and yes... most of the balcony was still sitting down.

I go on and on about people not standing - a big reason is that I'm just used to getting a little embarrassingly funky at shows. Dance moves you've never seen before are born when I'm getting down. And as much as I want to dance, I can't go about being rude to the people behind me, blocking their view with my sick moves. So I'm trapped in my seat, boogieing as happily as I can, but my lack of freedom is becoming frustrating.

My Footloose situation is not the main reason I keep mentioning the sitting. Here's why. As People on the High Line segues into its outro, without stopping the beat, elements from a new song start working their way in. At first they're unrecognizable – a new song, perhaps a remix of sorts, it doesn't sound like the build to any song we're all familiar with. But then it clicks, and I remember where I've heard that bassline before, and where that drum pattern is from, and I start grinning, because I know exactly what's coming. The 16th measure of this buildup reaches its end, signalling that it's about to loop around again, and as it does, Bizarre Love Triangle's lead synth burst into the mix as bright and clear as the day it came out.

da-da-duhda-da-duhdat-da-da

Like magic, the room roars up in applause, and the whole balcony is on its feet cheering in the space of 15 seconds – all for a single melody. It was incredible. The transition from a bunch of old fogeys passively accepting the new tunes to a mass of people cheering on a beloved aged hit was unbelievable. And it certainly wasn't that people went from quietly hating the new material to loving the songs they were raised with, but it was almost like we went from opening act to headliner, that the band we all wanted to see finally appeared, right at the moment the catchy melody started playing. Regardless of petty preferences, the whole crowd was finally on the same page again, dancing, and the positive energy was tangible. The performance of the tune was strong, an updated and live version of the Shep Pettibone 12″ remix (hardly different from the original except in length).

In the 7 minutes after BLT (obviously it's also a sandwich), I found myself falling in love with a song I barely knew. It had a haunting and beautiful 3 note sustained bassline, a perfect beat, bright synth sounds and the lyrics... the lyrics to Waiting for the Sirens Call, of all things. Waiting for the Sirens Call was a late-in-life and not very successful single from 2005, that most distinctively was extremely guitar driven. This version was a thousand times better. I unwittingly found myself "oohing" mostly in tune with the bassline and experienced a strong and pure out-of-body feeling that I hadn't felt since hearing Tycho perform A Walk at last summer's North Coast Festival. Much later, I found out that the version of the song was the Planet Funk remix of the tune, allowing me to come back to that experience... though of course, it was still better live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmJaM-7BOBs

Next was the last song off the new album they would play (forgoing Nothing But a Fool entirely, to my dismay, but that's okay – they haven't played it live anywhere apparently), Plastic. A sarcastic ode to the modern popstar and musically, a near homage to Donna Summer's I Feel Love, Plastic is a solid tune... but a bit of a letdown after the BLT call to arms and its surprisingly fantastic followup. The song is nice but it did feel dated in spite of being new, and didn't sound all that like New Order, a product of following the Moroder blueprint a little too closely. It was powerful enough to keep the dancing going into the final three song knockout, which absolutely brought the show home: The Perfect Kiss, True Faith, and Temptation.

The Perfect Kiss, New Order's first great single after Blue Monday (Thieves Like Us is too kitsch, and Confusion is just silly) and a personal favorite (thanks its unique instrumentation and incredibly clever and emotional lyrics) became the next highlight. It was a song I could confidently sing every word to, catch every beat, and the band themselves were particularly into it. The song's loud pre-chorus shout of "let's go out and have some fun" became a self-referential cheer for the night we were having.

This lead into a cryptic remix of True Faith, which I was unable to identify until visuals from the infamous music video started appearing in short distorted clips on the screens. True Faith is easily their most popular song, yet it's never been a favorite of mine, always a bit too serious for me to enjoy. But this live version (I still don't know if it's based on an existing remix) brought forth a better side to the song and took me away with it, and I was honestly enjoying it for the first time in my life.

Finally, the outro, back into a beat, and I could feel it in my bones, almost fearing, knowing, what song was going to come on next. It started unrecognizable like the classics before it, but it was about damn time for the song to be played, and the song's soul couldn't hide from me. Finally, Temptation! and I'm pushed into that realm of immersion where you partially forget you're at a concert, and it's just you and the song. I remember being loud, oohing and delivering lines with far more gusto than was called for, and grinning like mad. What a party. When the song broke into its breakdown before the final build, Bernard yelled "come on!" and the crowd began oohing the melody in unison. It was beautiful, and the opposite of what was asked for (the green/blue/grey eyes lines), which ended up extending the breakdown as the band rolled with the change, conducting it back into the build that was intended.

And that was it. Over the moon, ready for more, hit with Temptation, I watch the band leave the stage.

Thankfully, we were wise enough to see the house lights hadn't come on. Within minutes, the band retook the stage for a final encore. Starting with Atmosphere, they turn the encore into a small ode to Joy Division, bringing cheers from many Joy Division enthusiasts (and purists) throughout the theater. I have to say I wasn't into it as much, likely due to a lack of familiarity with a lot of Joy Division songs. Their songs were always a bit too dark and unrefined for my tastes. Still, Atmosphere's falling star synths and procession-like coolness was a treat for the ears.

Love Will Tear Us Apart naturally followed. It's a good song, but dare I say it again, I'm not a massive fan of this track. It's happy and sad and very very simple, good to dance around to, a classic but no masterpiece. I guess I had to be there. The visuals on stage were various shots of old Joy Division artwork, a picture or two of Ian Curtis and a few related words and messages – it was cool, and felt mostly sincere until towards the end of the song when "Joy Division Forever" appeared in bold letters across the screen. A good part of the crowd went nuts, and I stand there rolling my eyes a bit, mood killed. Come on. An ode is fine, but this is fetishizing. Just change the band name back to Joy Division if it's that important.

Things picked up again with the real final song of the night, (you guessed it), Blue Monday Green Thursday! In honor of St. Patrick's day, the band launched into a renamed rendition of Blue Monday (I guess the lighting guys didn't get the tip, as the show was still in blue). I was told by a few other people that it was a bit of a letdown to end on. Apparently people are a bit sick of Blue Monday in general and want it out of the setlist. Whatever, for me it was an absolute blast to end the night on, with the same catharsis you get from jamming to your favorite embarrassing song from your high school days at a wedding. Morris played the song standing up using the original drum synthesizer, and every catchy drum pattern brought the song higher and higher.

And like all things have to for some terrible reason, it ended as soon as it began. The Manchester musicians bid their final farewells and left for the green room, signalling goodnight to a good night. I grin to Geoff next to me, and nearly fall down the stairs, realizing then just how fast the concert had gone, just how much it had washed over me, just how tired and out of it I was... He makes a comment about not getting to eat since breakfast, and it clicks. We walk with Bosco to the train station, then catch a metro back to the apartment, where we chow down on chinese chicken, rant and reminisce about how awesome Temptation was live, and I catch three hours of sleep on a couch before dashing to the bus station, eyes red, shirt smelling, and mind dancing with burned images of legendary dance rock, hardly remembering that they never played Nothing But A Fool.

Damn it, they played Love Vigilantes and Academic, and NOT Nothing But A Fool??!? Okay, if I were drafting the setlist... where would I put it... maybe as the encore start...




I hope this makes up a little for a certain North Coast review still not being finished  :D
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Enjoyed on Feb 23, 2017, 21:50
Wonderful!

Thanks so much for sharing.
It truly felt like I was there watching the show unfold in front of me.

Wonderful!
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Feb 23, 2017, 23:36
Just had a speed-read. You definitey put some time/thought into this.

When I first heard Das Rheingold I felt a little deflated. Not because it wasn't beautiful but because I realised New Order had borrowed from it for All Day Long. I liked to think NO had written the full majestic track themselves.

And then Peter Hook mentioned that NO had borrowed from Hot Chocolate's Emily - for Theives Like Us. Peter Hook knew Errol Brown a little bit as Hot Chocolate were also Mancunian, so he bumped into him one day and said: I've borrowed your riff for my bassline, and according to Hook, Errol replied "Good for you Hooky!"

riff at 0.12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFYOHrwi-W8

riff at 3.23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc1ldXDJicY

Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Feb 24, 2017, 02:15
Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 23, 2017, 16:57

And Nothing But A Fool, ... is one of the best songs they've ever written....And those backing vocals are key part of the song.
Denise Johnson (of Primal Scream fame) and Dawn Zee (from the Get Ready era) who did the backing vocals on NBAF did perform with NO at their Warehouse Project gig in Manchester, 2015. But it seems not on that song. I believe Denise also went to their Castlefield Bowl gig in Manchester as a punter and commented on twitter that it was weird hearing her backing vocals coming back at her from the speakers. But not on NBAF. I got the impression from Bernard in a "Music Complete" interview thet he didn't think it would work live. Maybe he's right; a long track from the new album might have "lost" a large section of the crowd. I agree with you about the song though, I'd take it over Academic any day.

Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 23, 2017, 16:57

This led into an even bigger shocker... – Your Silent Face.
You may wish to browse through Setlist FM.

Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 23, 2017, 16:57

Appropriately, the next two songs absolutely were: Tutti Frutti and People on the High Line.
We were lucky enough to get Ellie "La Roux" Jackson on vocals when they did these two on the UK tour. But TBH I would have been happy with just one of them. I was getting bored by the end of "High Line".

Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 23, 2017, 16:57

Bizarre Love Triangle's lead synth burst... an updated and live version of the Shep Pettibone 12″ remix
It's basically the Richard X Mix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH3LYVqYhRg
Tour Visual 1:
https://vimeo.com/153960672
Tour visual 2:
https://vimeo.com/153960929

Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 23, 2017, 16:57

This lead into a cryptic remix of True Faith
It's a bit of a mish mash, with elements of Shep Pettibone's 1987 remix, but most obviously the 1994 Perfecto mix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz1ZSeTV6h8

Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 23, 2017, 16:57

Finally, Temptation! .... I remember being loud, oohing...
The oohing used to be more prominent when (a) the crowd was younger and (b) there was space for people to "ooh" (see Temptation Live in Glasgow on youtube). They've filled that space with Lou Reed's Street Hassle. It works well with the track, but I think it discourages crowd participation. Is that a good thing? Open for discussion perhaps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2532gJcCsA

Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 23, 2017, 16:57

Joy Division songs. Their songs were always a bit too dark and unrefined for my tastes
Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 23, 2017, 16:57

Ceremony is a classic, a favorite
Ceremony was written and demo'd by Joy Division (https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Joy-Division-Ceremony-In-A-Lonely-Place/release/2830689)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zPIod2wjYE

Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 23, 2017, 16:57

Love Will Tear Us Apart naturally followed. It's a good song, but dare I say it again, I'm not a massive fan of this track... no masterpiece
I shall be dispatchng a team of highly trained ninjas accross the Atlantic to beat this opinion out of you forthwith.

Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 23, 2017, 16:57

when "Joy Division Forever" appeared in bold letters across the screen
Yes this was cheesy as fuck. Playing into the cult-y thing that they supposedly don't encourage.

Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 23, 2017, 16:57

Apparently people are a bit sick of Blue Monday in general and want it out of the setlist. Whatever, for me it was an absolute blast to end the night on,

As Bernard says himself, people are entitled to hear this song, especially if they haven't heard it live before. But those of us who have seen NO a few times are a bit tired of it. I understand why they play it though. I have the WAV parts to BM '83 on my laptop courtesy of Peter Hook incidentally. No fade out.



Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: satur8 on Feb 27, 2017, 00:21
Great write-up, Whitenoise. I enjoyed your perspective and the details.

I didn't know they play Planet Funk's remix of Waiting for The Sirens Call live. It's a personal favorite of mine (and I'm an old school fan from back when 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' was NOT a well-known song).
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Bosco on Feb 28, 2017, 07:34
Incredible memory, research, and detail, Whitenoise.

I really need to be careful what I say and do around you in the future. Because if this is any indication of how well you soak in information, something might comeback to bite me in the ass.  :))

Furthermore, thank you for putting posting that version of "Waiting for the Siren's Call" remix. That really was the my favorite part of the show outside of "Temptation".
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: satur8 on Mar 10, 2017, 21:11
New Order to 're-imagine' their back catalogue at Manchester shows with 12-piece synth ensemble

http://www.nme.com/news/music/new-order-to-re-imagine-their-back-catalogue-at-manchester-shows-with-12-piece-synth-ensemble-2011042#eEDx8QjOMlipbo2B.99
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Mumbo on Apr 02, 2017, 22:35
Live from Brixton Academy

http://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/new-order-live-here-now?utm_source=pledgemusic&utm_content=promoted&utm_campaign=newsletter_20170330&referrer=newsletter&utm_medium=email
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 07, 2017, 14:47
Five new remixes out today. Although most of them have been knocking around non-comercially (or in Japan) for a while now.
https://twitter.com/neworder/status/850341417880866816

The link in the tweet doesn't work. But they're all in a playlist HERE (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYPsRgFn5c4v5VMyOTOHIWsBpXJ35oaCZ). DL from usual places.
Am I the only one who thinks of Direct Buki when I listen to this Takkyu Ishino remix?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBaCB9cxegY
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Jul 14, 2017, 11:17
Quote from: satur8 on Mar 10, 2017, 21:11

New Order to 're-imagine' their back catalogue at Manchester shows with 12-piece synth ensemble

http://www.nme.com/news/music/new-order-to-re-imagine-their-back-catalogue-at-manchester-shows-with-12-piece-synth-ensemble-2011042#eEDx8QjOMlipbo2B.99

Part of one of these gigs was streamed live on BBC.co.uk and facebook last night at short notice. No Blue Monday, no True Faith, no Temptation. Some songs that haven't been played for decades (including "Decades").  Only part of the gig was streamed, so you get: Shellshock,Guilt Is a Useless Emotion (ugh!), Subculture (Yay!), Bizarre Love Triangle, Vanishing Point (Yess!) and Plastic. The Setlists (https://www.setlist.fm/setlists/new-order-63d6b237.html) for these gigs are worth a look. I'm not sure if this YT footage will stay up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0CHz4YH1i8
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: WhiteNoise on Oct 02, 2017, 12:54
Quote from: Bosco on Feb 28, 2017, 07:34

Incredible memory, research, and detail, Whitenoise.

I really need to be careful what I say and do around you in the future. Because if this is any indication of how well you soak in information, something might comeback to bite me in the ass.  :))
Haha. I'm really, really weird about memory. I can forever remember odd details of my childhood, any song I've ever heard once, and posts I haven't responded to for months, but not to pay insurance, due dates of homework assignments, or where my car keys are...

Don't worry about me remembering weird shit about you - I tend to forget all the negative stuff anyway.

Quote from: Skyscraper on Feb 24, 2017, 02:15

You may wish to browse through Setlist FM.
Never did prior to the gig - wanted to keep it a surprise - but now very aware what a live favorite it is.

Quote from: Skyscraper on Feb 24, 2017, 02:15

(see Temptation Live in Glasgow on youtube)
My whole expectation for the performance. Cannot say their performance lived up to this. Also can't say any other performance I've listened to ever has!

Quote from: Skyscraper on Feb 24, 2017, 02:15

Ceremony was written and demo'd by Joy Division (https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Joy-Division-Ceremony-In-A-Lonely-Place/release/2830689)
Always been aware of this! There's something emotive about Ceremony I haven't found in any other Joy Division song - especially in light of certain interpretations of the lyrics - and I've listened to every version I can track down, including the rare few recordings of them performing it with Curtis.

Quote from: Skyscraper on Feb 24, 2017, 02:15

I shall be dispatchng a team of highly trained ninjas accross the Atlantic to beat this opinion out of you forthwith.
It's an excellent song! I just wasn't "there" for it. Authenticity is important and I'm not gonna act like it was something more to me than it is.

Quote from: Skyscraper on Feb 24, 2017, 02:15

As Bernard says himself, people are entitled to hear this song, especially if they haven't heard it live before. But those of us who have seen NO a few times are a bit tired of it. I understand why they play it though.
I get this - having even seen some of the performances where Bernard is audibly sick of playing it, Reading 98 in particular - but in the end it's a warhorse, and it all comes down to the hardcore fans wanting a rarities tour in their backyard over hearing the hit one more time.

Speaking of a rarities tour, Kylie did it. Orbital is apparently thinking of doing it too...

Quote from: Skyscraper on Feb 24, 2017, 02:15

I have the WAV parts to BM '83 on my laptop courtesy of Peter Hook incidentally. No fade out.
Nice! You just call him up and ask?
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Bosco on Oct 03, 2017, 05:53
Androidgeoff and I just saw them play Riot Fest here in Chicago and it was incredible. The crowd's enthusiasm was totally unexpected for a mostly punk rock festival. It seemed like the band totally soaked in the the warm reception from the crowd.
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Fine Time on Jul 07, 2019, 08:45
Here's Tom and Ed presenting Bernard Sumner from New Order with his lifetime achievement award (O2 Silver Clef Award) in aid of music therapy charity Nordoff Robbins ,  a couple of days ago.

New Order were definitely music-therapy to my ears when i got into them as a teenage art student 1988-91 , so many great songs , and album covers. Lookin forward to seeing them headline BlueDot Festival in a couple of weeks.

(https://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/DJ7FLAME/24565432123_zpssahefwww.png) (https://s1016.photobucket.com/user/DJ7FLAME/media/24565432123_zpssahefwww.png.html)
Title: Re: New Order: Music Complete (and the Tom Rowlands influence)
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Jul 12, 2019, 11:50
Quote from: satur8 on Mar 10, 2017, 21:11

New Order to 're-imagine' their back catalogue at Manchester shows with 12-piece synth ensemble

http://www.nme.com/news/music/new-order-to-re-imagine-their-back-catalogue-at-manchester-shows-with-12-piece-synth-ensemble-2011042#eEDx8QjOMlipbo2B.99

Live MIF album out today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcFq9tVn97s
Title: Re: New Order
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 17, 2020, 15:16
I've modified the thread title (which I started) as the "Music Complete" bit is about 5 years old now.

Might be of interest to one or two people here.
These MIF gigs were the "deeper cut" gigs they did at Manchester's old Granada TV studios in 2017. Smaller venue/crowd than usual. 12 piece "synth orchestra" behind them who were (in theory) playing live a lot of the bits that are normally on Apple Mac's.
NO Blue Monday/True Faith/Temptation. But don't let that put you off; it's great!
Imagine if the Chems did a deep cuts gig with no HBHG etc for a smaller audience. You'd love it.
T minus 3 hours

https://twitter.com/neworder/status/1250016540289912832
(didn't embed - emojis)
https://twitter.com/neworder/status/1251123996675973122

https://twitter.com/MIFestival/status/1251093048441942016
(didn't embed - emojis)
Title: Re: New Order
Post by: ThePumisher on Jul 27, 2020, 16:19
https://www.nme.com/news/music/peter-hook-red-hot-chili-peppers-bernard-sumner-new-dawn-fades-taught-new-order-moby-2715980?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=peter-hook-red-hot-chili-peppers-bernard-sumner-new-dawn-fades-taught-new-order-moby
Title: Re: New Order
Post by: nekoland on Sep 07, 2020, 22:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6E6ugW7TOo
Title: Re: New Order
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Oct 02, 2020, 21:12
☝️ A bit underwhelming if you ask me. Sounds like an Electronic (Bernard's side project band) track more than a New Order track to me.
Much more exciting is this! Power Corruption & Lies definitive box set, out today.
https://youtu.be/Q0pIDCvNPRk
https://youtu.be/zx0ZoDYYI_o

If the final minute of this (3.35 onwards) doesn't make you feel alive, then you're already dead.
https://youtu.be/UuTZqE7Vee4

More on YouTube

Title: Re: New Order
Post by: ThePumisher on Mar 28, 2021, 13:19
https://youtu.be/Iyzk1Gwwu7c

https://youtu.be/Tlaw2QwXol8
Title: Re: New Order
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Jan 17, 2022, 17:11
Could be posted either here or in the Soulwax thread...

Several years ago a UK travel company declared that Blue Monday was the third Monday in January - when people are supposedly feeling the "bluest" that they will feel all year.
BBC 6 Music has decided to counteract the blueness of this Monday by doing an all day Desert Island Disco with various contributors including Joe Goddard and Alison Goldfrapp.

They also got Soulwax involved - the Dewaele's decided to do a 20 minute remix/megamix of New Order's Blue Monday using the parts/stems of the original 83 version, plus the original dub B-side version (The Beach) and some live TV show versions etc.
You can listen to it  here. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0013tyc)

David Holmes has done a desert island mix (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0013tyf) too. (EDIT: HIs mix actually carries on into the first 5 mins of the Alison Goldfrapp (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0013tyh) section)
Title: Re: New Order
Post by: Ben_j on Jan 17, 2022, 17:57
Someone ripped it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTW-9gzbvCQ
Title: Re: New Order
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Jan 17, 2022, 18:54
Quote from: Ben_j on Jan 17, 2022, 17:57

Someone ripped it
Hmm, that's actually more complete and Lauren-free than the 6 Music broadcast. Soulwax secretly sneaked it out somewhere?..
Title: Re: New Order
Post by: Ben_j on Jan 19, 2022, 15:19
Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Jan 17, 2022, 18:54

Hmm, that's actually more complete and Lauren-free than the 6 Music broadcast. Soulwax secretly sneaked it out somewhere?..
Could be. Overweight Karate Kid has connections and often releases exclusive Soulwax stuff
Title: Re: New Order
Post by: MadPooter on Jan 19, 2022, 16:48
Quote from: Ben_j on Jan 17, 2022, 17:57

Someone ripped it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTW-9gzbvCQ

Glad I actually got around to listening to this. It was surprisingly enjoyable.

Do they have any other 20 minute versions of a motha fuckin' record or is it just this one?
Title: Re: New Order
Post by: Ben_j on Jan 19, 2022, 17:54
Quote from: MadPooter on Jan 19, 2022, 16:48

Glad I actually got around to listening to this. It was surprisingly enjoyable.
I have to confess I find it too long and I got bored after a few minutes  :(
Title: Re: New Order
Post by: MadPooter on Jan 19, 2022, 18:02
I think my initial expectations were low. I also had it on in the background while playing League.
Title: Re: New Order
Post by: ThePumisher on Feb 01, 2022, 14:01
Ok, so theres plenty of New Order stuff played last night on 6 Music last night as a part of the 6 Music Artist Collection


As part of the 6 Music Artist Collection on New Order, a chance to hear frontman Bernard Sumner sharing his musical milestones in conversation with Matt Everitt. The programme includes Bernard's recollections of the early punk scene in Manchester, his still raw and painful memories of his friend Ian Curtis' suicide, and the genesis of Blue Monday. (First broadcast in 2010)
=> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b00tplms


Highlights of New Order's 2016 Glastonbury Other Stage headline set.
=> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000rmzn


Another chance to hear Mark Radcliffe telling the story of New Order. Part 1 of 2 (First broadcast in 2003)
=> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b0368qh3

Another chance to hear Mark Radcliffe telling the story of New Order. Part 2 of 2 (First broadcast in 2003)
=> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b0368qt6


A playlist celebrating the music of New Order and its roots and branches - including those they've been influenced by and those they've inspired.
=> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000rmzs
Title: Re: New Order
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Nov 09, 2022, 09:45
Ok not really new, but Kenneth Partridge of Mental Floss has written perhaps the most complete article you will ever read about the making (and release) of Blue Monday.
BTW Mental Floss are well worth a follow on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/kenpartridge/status/1590106531236052993

And if you read all the way to the end, you might like this 2 minute video (even though it forgets Hooky's bassline/Ennio Morricone)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1ZMqYHwNHM
If anyone is wondering about the Klein & MBO track, Bernard used it as a template for the structure of Blue Monday. I believe he used the European Connection (instrumental) version in particular.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzNZWo8cxm4


Title: Re: New Order
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Jan 28, 2023, 19:44
A previously unreleased NO track from the '80s now on the Box Set definitive edition of Low-life which came out yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnEQm7EtqcE

YT playlist of all the Low-life box set music here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYtmmH5LuLM&list=OLAK5uy_mvB5fmXl155zaYVbUzZ0OHBuPJfbjq7Wo)

That's album No.3 from NO. They've also done box set reissues of the first two albums.

Album 2: Power Corruption & Lies, definitive edition. YT playlist here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwZVXe3btfM&list=OLAK5uy_kjihHGGgT9M924cExIuMeOjgrbGNxr0OM)

Album 1:  Movement, definitive edition. YT playlist here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3DelfmQ9wY&list=PLI6kLIhBBwmRWyw5JdeZkpm0rHXcjl7vu)
Title: Re: New Order
Post by: ThePumisher on Oct 04, 2023, 10:42
So Lauren Laverne played a mashup of New Order's Blue Monday and Kylie's Can't Get You Out Of My Head (made by Erol Alkan as a whitelabel couple of years ago) today. Does anyone have a good version of this and can send it to me?

Starts at 24min (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001qvb1?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile)

Youtube has it, but only with bad audio quality
Title: Re: New Order
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Oct 04, 2023, 14:36
Quote from: ThePumisher on Oct 04, 2023, 10:42
So Lauren Laverne played a mashup of New Order's Blue Monday and Kylie's Can't Get You Out Of My Head (made by Erol Alkan as a whitelabel couple of years ago) today. Does anyone have a good version of this and can send it to me?

Starts at 24min (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001qvb1?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile)

Youtube has it, but only with bad audio quality

I have it in CD quality on this CD single (https://www.discogs.com/release/5859871-Kylie-Love-At-First-Sight), but I no longer own a CD ripper/drive so I can't rip it for you.
I also subsequently (years later) jumped on Discogs and bought it on 12" white label (https://www.discogs.com/release/76919-Kylie-Minogue-vs-New-Order-Cant-Get-Blue-Monday-Out-Of-My-Head) thinking that it was going to be a mash up involving New Order's original Blue Monday, rather than Erol's re-created Blue Monday. This was because I had heard such a mashup involving original Blue Monday in the Daniel Craig film Layer Cake (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375912/soundtrack/?ref_=tt_trv_snd). But alas the 12" turned out to have the same re-created elements of Blue Monday as the CD version. So that was a complete waste of money!

Tiga & Zyntherius managed to source original elements of New Order's BM for Blue Sunglasses (https://youtu.be/feX9PWoOFus?si=Zfu_ukKlEu8gh1Ki&t=254), so it's a shame that Kylie & Erol didn't do the same.

When you say "a couple of years ago", I presume you are using the expression loosely, as it was 21 years ago (holy crap!). And I remember watching Kylie do this very performance on the Brit Awards back in 2002:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysn_Lad-zsg

PS New Order are on tour at the moment and I went to see them on Friday night at the O2 Arena.
They didn't throw any Kylie or Tiga into Blue Monday...