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Title: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Ben_j on Mar 09, 2018, 10:56
I was looking at the Sacem (French association where you register rights for any piece of music) and found the Life of Galileo soundtrack titles !

Forge
Galileo Finale
Horse Dawn (a link to Horsepower maybe ?)
Jupiter Theme
Mode 700
Moon Theme
Opening Galileo Them
Papal Disco (Given the title, could this be the Life of Galileo club track ?)
E Trade
Sun


Then I realised there was much more !

Boss on a Boa
Blob
Brothers Gonna B
DFunky Techno
Exit the Planet (could be Life of Galileo ?)
If Sequences
Mission Impossi
O C
Payle
Page 8
Riot
Shuke
Warile
Mind Response
Swift Justice
Ride Attack Blo
Birds
Palette Clenser
Soldier
Take a Picture David Dallas - Take a Picture (samples Saturate)
Roadkill Whale - Roadkill (samples Three Little Birdies Down Beats I think ?)
Everyday of my life Ariel - Every day of my life (https://www.discogs.com/fr/Ariel-Let-It-Slide/release/113110). By the way, I never knew Matt Berry was part of Ariel
Heaven Ariel - Heaven


A lot of these are credited to Tom only, without any publisher, but some of these are both Tom and Ed (and sometimes more people), do you think some of these are future Chemical 9 tracks ?


EDIT: Direct links weren't working so I removed them
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Ben_j on Mar 09, 2018, 12:47
I just realised none of the links work.
Here are the search results
https://repertoire.sacem.fr/resultats?filters=parties&query=thomas%20rowlands#searchBtn
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Mar 09, 2018, 13:37
Good chemical spotting BenJ. Mr Enjoyed if you're reading this, where did you say would be a good (English language) place to check?
I haven't been through all of these but
Take a Picture (https://repertoire.sacem.fr/detail-oeuvre/4uyNYscuYdd6jX9ljF06XRBmlBFGrplp25fQawklH5s=/TAKE%20A%20PICTURE?query=Thomas%20Rowlands&filters=parties#searchBtn)
Is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZheYLYgGmQ

Which I kinda tracked down by googling the song writers and ending up on Easy Song licensing (http://www.easysonglicensing.com/pages/help/resources/song-copyright-holder-information.aspx?s=773679). This site alas, doesn't seem to be as useful as I hoped in searching for Thomas Owen Mostyn Rowlands song listings. Unless I'm doing something wrong?

Mike Marsh's list still looks like THIS (http://www.exchangemastering.co.uk/mikecv.pdf) (see pp 9 & 10). So nothing new there then...

I'm suprised that the LoG opening theme and finale are listed separately, as I thought they were the same tune (unless Opening Theme means the funky thing they played before the play started?)

I like your suggestion on Papal Disco, Ben.

**EDIT** Ok, I can see BenJ has now edited his post to account for David Dallas' Take A Picture.
Some other thoughts:
What's: "Problems" ? Not on the above list (problem/question maybe?)
Payle is spelt Palye should have a No 2 after it.
Page 8 is Plage 8.
Slow Butt Grind is listed! I forget what this was released as, but I'm sure you all remember.
At the time of writing, Electro Funk isn't on the above list. Do we know what this is? If not, could it be Pumishers Erection Song (because that's basically an Electro track)?
Wiard Rush/ The Wizard Rush are both listed under the same track. I think this confirms what we suspected: Wiard is a typo of Wizard.
Ride Attack Blo sounds incomplete. Some of the other titles (of released tracks) seem a bit chopped up too. So I suspect there should be more after "Blo" (maybe Blob that's also on the list?). The same may be true of Brothers GonnaB and perhaps some others.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Enjoyed on Mar 09, 2018, 16:59
Wow! Very nice find.

The UK equivalent, I think, would be PRS - I've had to register tracks on there before release - and sometimes after.

I just did a search for Tom Rowlands. It lists a lot, but not everything they've ever released - as far as I can tell.

There are some entries that are described as 'Share owner being confirmed' and 'unnotified work' that appear to be newer additions. These include:


Other ones of note:


A quick look through PPL (the place where the actual recording is registered - so lots of duplicates for tracks that are on multiple releases) brings up these potentially interesting finds:


Oh, and Papal Disco is 100% the club track. The Church rock up in that scene so it makes complete sense.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Ben_j on Mar 09, 2018, 17:30
Quote from: Enjoyed on Mar 09, 2018, 16:59

AIR FRANCE VV - Just Tom
Might be Asleep from Day for the old Michel Gondry commercial

Quote from: Enjoyed on Mar 09, 2018, 16:59

  • LOOKING DOWN THE BARREL - Tom produced a Tinie Tempah track (https://goo.gl/DZ36bR)!??!?
Yep, he did


Quote from: Enjoyed on Mar 09, 2018, 16:59

  • BE THAT THING - I'm sure these have been discussed and I just don't know what they are
It's an old track, from when they were still The Dust Brothers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmxB4okckug
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Stefan on Mar 09, 2018, 17:31
Quote from: Enjoyed on Mar 09, 2018, 16:59

  • NIKE WOMEN - possible commercial music?
Most likely this commercial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CEQMv3vfYE
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Mar 09, 2018, 18:14
Quote from: Enjoyed on Mar 09, 2018, 16:59

The UK equivalent, I think, would be PRS - I've had to register tracks on there before release - and sometimes after.

I just did a search for Tom Rowlands. It lists a lot, but not everything they've ever released - as far as I can tell.

You went HERE (https://www.prsformusic.com/)? and then searched Tom Rowlands up the top right, which brought you to HERE (https://www.prsformusic.com/search?query=TOM+ROWLANDS&__ncforminfo=TZX5eltEapeyL2co4pwh7n1j3KqTeHrL8y0lifX3AvJV-eaZ0PwBujPXELsXaFQedxlLL7x1a0mrY6VSV879MrQM9VWsISLG)? That doesn't seem to do much for me.

Quote from: Enjoyed on Mar 09, 2018, 16:59

There are some entries that are described as 'Share owner being confirmed' and 'unnotified work' that appear to be newer additions. These include:



  • ROADKILL - With Carina Lena Soro & Gordon Campbell Cyrus?
BenJ addressed Roadkill in the first post of this thread.

Quote from: Enjoyed on Mar 09, 2018, 16:59


Other ones of note:



  • BE THAT THING - I'm sure these have been discussed and I just don't know what they are
You can also get this on THIS (https://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Serious-Road-Trip/release/140905) CD

Quote from: Enjoyed on Mar 09, 2018, 16:59

A quick look through PPL (the place where the actual recording is registered - so lots of duplicates for tracks that are on multiple releases) brings up these potentially interesting finds:


  • Out Of Control [Orbital Mix] - that's not a secret remix by Orbital is it?
There are several uploads of this to YT and they are all your username, Enjoyed!
However there are also comments under each YT saying: "That's not an orbital remix, that's Enjoyed". So maybe it's another name for Enjoyed, maybe not.


  • Waterfall - 1996 on Zomba Productions?
Hmm. Well Waterfall by The Stone Roses was on Zomba Music publishing. We know that Tom/The Chems were meant to do a Roses remix that never materialised, but I always understood that to be from their second album (1994) rather than Waterfall which came out in 1988 and again in 1991. But...could this be a shelved Stone Roses remix?

Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Enjoyed on Mar 09, 2018, 19:09
Quote from: Skyscraper on Mar 09, 2018, 18:14

You went HERE (https://www.prsformusic.com/)? and then searched Tom Rowlands up the top right, which brought you to HERE (https://www.prsformusic.com/search?query=TOM+ROWLANDS&__ncforminfo=TZX5eltEapeyL2co4pwh7n1j3KqTeHrL8y0lifX3AvJV-eaZ0PwBujPXELsXaFQedxlLL7x1a0mrY6VSV879MrQM9VWsISLG)? That doesn't seem to do much for me.

I logged in to my account. It then allowed me to search various fields. I searched Tom Rowlands for writer.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: androidgeoff on Mar 09, 2018, 19:54
Quote from: Ben_j on Mar 09, 2018, 10:56

I never knew Matt Berry was part of Ariel


It is not the actor Matt Berry, just for clarification

I made the mistake of asking lmao
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: androidgeoff on Mar 09, 2018, 20:04
Also, with regards to the Orbital remix of Out of Control, I know the story:

Orbital and Summers were working together and made a version of out of control. Tom showed up at the studio around the time they finished it and he was quite jealous. He then pointed at the wall and shouted

"LOOK OVER THERE! A BABYLON 5 SAMPLE THAT WOULD WORK GREAT!"

Both members of Orbital stared at the wall for a moment. Before they could comprehend what was happening, Tom shut off the lights. Unfortunately for Orbital, they did not have their head lights on their heads, so they could not deal with the dark.

Tom stole the master track and crossed out Orbital's name and wrote "Chem Bros"
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: ThePumisher on Mar 09, 2018, 21:39
so tom's a thief? off with the head!
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Joslyn on Mar 09, 2018, 23:10
Quote from: Enjoyed on Mar 09, 2018, 16:59



  • DANKA JANE - described as 'Film' and published by Twentieth Century Fox/Sony
  • BLACK SWAN
  • BLACK SWAN (CUES)
  • MANKIND THE STORY OF ALL OF US CUES - Another film? Published by Universal


Danka Jane is a Black Swan track.
See this info from the IMDB site

[list}Black Swan (2010)
Soundtracks
Soundtrack Credits

Apotheosis
Written and Performed by Peter Min (as Pete Min)
Contains "Swan Lake" written by Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky

Danka Jane
Written by Tom Rowlands
Performed by The Chemical Brothers
The Chemical Brothers perform courtesy of EMI Records Limited
Contains "Swan Lake" written by Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky


Outside the Lines
Written by Praveen Sharma and Travis Stewart
Performed by Sepalcure (featuring Angelica Bess)
Courtesy of Hotflush Recordings
Contains "Swan Lake" written by Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky

The White Easton
Written by Alec Storey
Performed by Al Tourettes
Contains "Swan Lake" written by Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky

Illicit Dreaming
Written by Jamie Kavanagh
Performed by Kavsrave
Courtesy of Tighten Up Records
Contains "Swan Lake" written by Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky

Electric Hands
Written by Tom Rowlands
Performed by The Chemical Brothers
The Chemical Brothers perform courtesy of EMI Records Limited
Contains "Swan Lake" written by Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky


The Nina Frequency
Written by Tom Rowlands and Ed Simons
Performed by The Chemical Brothers
The Chemical Brothers perform courtesy of EMI Records Limited
Contains "Swan Lake" written by Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky


Dark Sygnet
Written by Jermaine Troy Jacob
Performed by Jakes
Contains "Swan Lake" written by Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
[/list]

This youtube vid has al three tracks in it (if it's acurate)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up6I66qaY6Y
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Mar 09, 2018, 23:17
Quote from: androidgeoff on Mar 09, 2018, 20:04

Also, with regards to the Orbital remix of Out of Control, I know the story:

Orbital and Summers were working together and made a version of out of control.

Summers? Tsk  ::)
Bernard has told the story more than once about how he wrote all these great guitar parts for OOC, and most of them just got ripped up and discarded by the Chems. He likes to put on a faux-outraged voice when he does this. I'd love to hear the original tapes though.



Quote from: Enjoyed on Mar 09, 2018, 16:59


  • HEY MORUMBI
This is a mashup of HBHG and Tocadisco's Morumbi. Like so (https://youtu.be/P5rNfSe2Cr8?t=1s).[/url]
  • PREVIOUSLY (EPISODE 11)
I would wager that this is episode 11 (of 12) of the TV series mentioned below.
  • RESTLESS
You got more details on this? Is it easy to post screen-shots of this stuff?



Other ones of note:



  • MANKIND THE STORY OF ALL OF US CUES - Another film? Published by Universal
A 12 part TV Series (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2431022/?ref_=nv_sr_1)


[/list][/list]
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Enjoyed on Mar 09, 2018, 23:23
Quote from: Skyscraper on Mar 09, 2018, 23:17

You got more details on this? Is it easy to post screen-shots of this stuff?

It seems very sneaky to post this, but it's visible to literally anyone with a PRS account.

(https://i.imgur.com/CrQhTSF.png)

I can obviously get more details for anything else we're interested in.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Ben_j on Mar 09, 2018, 23:25
Quote from: androidgeoff on Mar 09, 2018, 19:54

It is not the actor Matt Berry, just for clarification

I made the mistake of asking lmao

It is the actor ! He's released quite a few stuff.
Either this or they wrongfully credited Ariel tracks to "Matthew Charles Berry"
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Mar 10, 2018, 02:59
Quote from: Ben_j on Mar 09, 2018, 23:25

It is the actor ! He's released quite a few stuff.
Either this or they wrongfully credited Ariel tracks to "Matthew Charles Berry"

Matt Berry, the actor's Discogs page (https://www.discogs.com/artist/1921186-Matt-Berry-3)

Matt Berry of Ariel's Discogs page (https://www.discogs.com/artist/579317-M-Berry)

The actor's page is more impressive!
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: whirlygirl on Mar 10, 2018, 07:44
What a fascinating find!  :o :o
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Ben_j on Mar 10, 2018, 09:08
Quote from: Skyscraper on Mar 10, 2018, 02:59

Matt Berry, the actor's Discogs page (https://www.discogs.com/artist/1921186-Matt-Berry-3)

Matt Berry of Ariel's Discogs page (https://www.discogs.com/artist/579317-M-Berry)

The actor's page is more impressive!
That's strange because Matthew Charles Berry is the actor's full name. Either it's a mistake or they have the same middle name
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Jun 05, 2018, 12:42
Quote from: Ben_j on Mar 09, 2018, 12:47


Here are the search results
https://repertoire.sacem.fr/resultats?filters=parties&query=thomas%20rowlands#searchBtn

I don't think Keep On Making Me High was there last time you checked, was it? It is now -  as "Got To Keep On":

Quote
GOT TO KEEP ON

Compositeur : BROWN PETER H, INCONNU COMPOSITEUR AUTEUR, ROD MC KUEN, OSTYN ROWLANDS THOMAS OWEN M, SIMONS EDMUND JOHN

Auteur : BROWN PETER H, INCONNU COMPOSITEUR AUTEUR, ROD MC KUEN, OSTYN ROWLANDS THOMAS OWEN M, SIMONS EDMUND JOHN

Éditeur : BMG RIGHTS MANAGEMENT UK LIMITED, EMI MUSIC PUBLISHING LTD, HELENE BLUE MUSIQUE LTD, UNIVERSAL MUSIC PUBLISHING LIMITED (GB)

Sous éditeur : BMG RIGHTS MANAGEMENT (FRANCE), EMI MUSIC PUBL FRANCE, JEAN DAVOUST EDITEUR

further DETAIL. (https://repertoire.sacem.fr/detail-oeuvre/RCg7IN92Rgakhl89_v6BRzdZL6ebvNEbbe2SAf0jnRk=/GOT%20TO%20KEEP%20ON?query=thomas%20rowlands&filters=parties#searchBtn)

*EDIT*: Hmm. Sometimes this further detail link works, and sometimes it brings you to a general page. Which is weird. So if the link doesn't work for you, it says this:

Quote
GOT TO KEEP ON
Chant

Ayants droit

BROWN PETER H, Compositeur / Auteur

Code IPI : 36851964

INCONNU COMPOSITEUR AUTEUR, Compositeur / Auteur

Code IPI : 53428783

ROD MC KUEN, Compositeur / Auteur

Code IPI : 18949745

OSTYN ROWLANDS THOMAS OWEN M, Compositeur / Auteur

Code IPI : 177284931

SIMONS EDMUND JOHN, Compositeur / Auteur

Code IPI : 253226195

BMG RIGHTS MANAGEMENT UK LIMITED, Éditeur

Code IPI : 576134244

EMI MUSIC PUBLISHING LTD, Éditeur

Code IPI : 87019563

HELENE BLUE MUSIQUE LTD, Éditeur

Code IPI : 339347639

UNIVERSAL MUSIC PUBLISHING LIMITED (GB), Éditeur

Code IPI : 282429357

BMG RIGHTS MANAGEMENT (FRANCE), Sous éditeur

Code IPI : 582895790

EMI MUSIC PUBL FRANCE, Sous éditeur

Code IPI : 10704831

JEAN DAVOUST EDITEUR, Sous éditeur

Code IPI : 149154075
Éditeur

BMG RIGHTS MANAGEMENT UK LIMITED

Code IPI : 576134244

EMI MUSIC PUBLISHING LTD

Code IPI : 87019563

HELENE BLUE MUSIQUE LTD

Code IPI : 339347639

UNIVERSAL MUSIC PUBLISHING LIMITED (GB)

Code IPI : 282429357

BMG RIGHTS MANAGEMENT (FRANCE)

Code IPI : 582895790

5 RUE DE CASTIGLIONE
75001 PARIS
01 53 21 07 67

EMI MUSIC PUBL FRANCE

Code IPI : 10704831

27 RUE DE BERRI
75008 PARIS
0143185280

JEAN DAVOUST EDITEUR

Code IPI : 149154075

25 BOULEVARD ARAGO
75013 PARIS

Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Csar on Jun 05, 2018, 12:51
Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Jun 05, 2018, 12:42

I don't think Keep On Making Me High was there last time you checked, was it? It is now -  as "Got To Keep On":

further DETAIL. (https://repertoire.sacem.fr/detail-oeuvre/RCg7IN92Rgakhl89_v6BRzdZL6ebvNEbbe2SAf0jnRk=/GOT%20TO%20KEEP%20ON?query=thomas%20rowlands&filters=parties#searchBtn)

Too bad there are no release dates stated. Some odd names on there, like PALETTE CLENSER, TAKE A PICTURE, GALACTIC PHASE SHIFT, BLOB, PROBLEMS (!!!!!!!!!), SLOW BUTT GRIND, SHUKE, IF SEQUENCES ...
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Ben_j on Jun 05, 2018, 14:26
No it was not, good catch :) Are there any other new stuff ?
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Ben_j on Jun 05, 2018, 14:32
Thanks to the credits, I found the origin of the sample "And rain comes down like tears" (at 1mn22)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji2pUAFMikg&t=1m22s
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Ben_j on Jun 05, 2018, 14:37
And here's the sample for "Gotta keep on makin me high" I guess
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwz7cerVuKE
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Csar on Jun 05, 2018, 15:02
Quote from: Ben_j on Jun 05, 2018, 14:26

No it was not, good catch :) Are there any other new stuff ?

Well, never heard of 140 Song (https://repertoire.sacem.fr/en/work-detail/sX0Kb4MwnYu2SFxIiuLThAplwpgUXh2DzgH0wXilbGs=/140%20SONG?query=chemical%20brothers&filters=parties#searchBtn) (this one explicitly mentions Chemical Brothers as performers) or ROADKILL (Deconstruction mentioned as publisher too, might be old), SWIFT JUSTICE, DEEPER THROAT, SLOW BUTT GRIND, CALL ME THE BREEZE

Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Ben_j on Jun 05, 2018, 15:22
Quote from: Csar on Jun 05, 2018, 15:02

Well, never heard of 140 SONG (this one explicitly mentions Chemical Brothers as performers) or ROADKILL (Deconstruction mentioned as publisher too, might be old), SWIFT JUSTICE, DEEPER THROAT, SLOW BUTT GRIND, CALL ME THE BREEZE
Some of these are tracks that sample Chems tracks
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Jun 05, 2018, 15:26
Quote from: Ben_j on Jun 05, 2018, 14:32

Thanks to the credits, I found the origin of the sample "And rain comes down like tears" (at 1mn22)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji2pUAFMikg&t=1m22s
Well sherlocked!
Quote from: Ben_j on Jun 05, 2018, 14:37

And here's the sample for "Gotta keep on makin me high" I guess

You just know that it's a recreation/re-recording for this one though. No way it's the same vocalist.


Quote from: Csar on Jun 05, 2018, 15:02

Well, never heard of 140 SONG (this one explicitly mentions Chemical Brothers as performers) or ROADKILL (Deconstruction mentioned as publisher too, might be old), SWIFT JUSTICE, DEEPER THROAT, SLOW BUTT GRIND, CALL ME THE BREEZE

Roadkill is mentioned in post 1 of this thread, Call Me the Breeze is a Beth Orton track that Tom worked on (mentioned on the old forum) see HERE (track 5) (https://www.discogs.com/Beth-Orton-Sugaring-Season/release/3918144). Slow Butt Grind was an early title which WN has mentioned before, I forget what it is but you do know it. Deeper Throat is THIS (https://www.discogs.com/Deeper-Throat-Mouth-Organ-Remixes/release/10265)
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Csar on Jun 05, 2018, 15:30
I cleary am a chemical rookie... Thank you both for clarification.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: WhiteNoise on Jun 05, 2018, 16:07
Slow Butt Grind is the name for the end of Elektrobank!
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Mar 07, 2019, 19:19
Today's news has prompted me to have a look at Mike Marsh's list (still no change since Contra/Reflexion) and the SACEM list.
And we have some new ones on there:

NEUM
Compositeur : OSTYN ROWLANDS THOMAS OWEN M, SIMONS EDMUND JOHN
Auteur : OSTYN ROWLANDS THOMAS OWEN M, SIMONS EDMUND JOHN

WE'VE GOT TO TRY
Compositeur : PEGUE RICHARD, OSTYN ROWLANDS THOMAS OWEN M, SIMONS EDMUND JOHN
Auteur : PEGUE RICHARD, OSTYN ROWLANDS THOMAS OWEN M, SIMONS EDMUND JOHN

GRAVITY DROPS
Compositeur : OSTYN ROWLANDS THOMAS OWEN M, SIMONS EDMUND JOHN
Auteur : OSTYN ROWLANDS THOMAS OWEN M, SIMONS EDMUND JOHN

BANGO
Compositeur : Aurora AKSNES, OSTYN ROWLANDS THOMAS OWEN M, SIMONS EDMUND JOHN
Auteur : Aurora AKSNES, OSTYN ROWLANDS THOMAS OWEN M, SIMONS EDMUND JOHN

So Aurora is on this one. No sign of a writing credit for Dinosaur L/Arthur Russell, so perhaps my prediction that there would be a sample of Dinosaur L's "Go Bang" isn't going to pan out...


NO GEOGRAPHY
Compositeur : OSTYN ROWLANDS THOMAS OWEN M, SIMONS EDMUND JOHN
Auteur : OSTYN ROWLANDS THOMAS OWEN M, SIMONS EDMUND JOHN

THE UNIVERSE SENT ME
Compositeur : Aurora AKSNES, OSTYN ROWLANDS THOMAS OWEN M, SIMONS EDMUND JOHN
Auteur : Aurora AKSNES, OSTYN ROWLANDS THOMAS OWEN M, SIMONS EDMUND JOHN

Aurora again.


So we have two new Aurora song (writing/performing) confirmations to add to Eve Of Destruction. Is it three tracks in total that she sings on?
I'm surprised that EOD isn't showing on the SACEM page considerng the track has had a "world premiere".
I thought there might be some more writing credits if samples have been used more on this album (as suggested by interviews), although clearly the Helleluia Chorus sample has garnered a writing credit. I wonder if there might be an updated PRS list with more details?
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Csar on Mar 07, 2019, 19:28
Neeeum is most likely just the 15,000 bpm "remix" of We've Got to Try.

Three tracks including Aurora sounds like a bit of an overkill, knowing that the album is pretty short, but perhaps these are just credits for some vocal effects or just small sound bites instead of full lyrics.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Enjoyed on Mar 07, 2019, 19:33
My hype for Gravity Drops is 1000% defying the aforementioned track title.

Just over a month girls & boys!
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: UltimatePelmeni on Mar 07, 2019, 19:55
Quote from: Csar on Mar 07, 2019, 19:28

Three tracks including Aurora sounds like a bit of an overkill, knowing that the album is pretty short, but perhaps these are just credits for some vocal effects or just small sound bites instead of full lyrics.

It reminds of Junior by Royksopp where there're three tracks featuring Anneli Drecker and two tracks with Karin Dreijer.
(Robyn and Lykke Li look pathetic with just one appearance  :D)
Masterpiece album, by the way.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: mfc83 on Mar 19, 2019, 21:54
I used to play live a long long time ago. Even though none of our stuff was released at the time, we would register each track with APRA (Australian SACEM) with the working title, and submit a tracklist of the live set to them so we get some performance royalties.

My guess is that some of these tracks are registered for this reason - they're working titles for some of the bits performed live that don't have a release.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 09, 2019, 11:47
Another one to add to reply #28 above:

CATCH ME I'M FALLING
Compositeur : INCONNU COMPOSITEUR AUTEUR, RAYMONDE SIMON PHILIP, OSTYN ROWLANDS THOMAS OWEN M, DOSEN STEPHANIE, SIMONS EDMUND JOHN
Auteur : INCONNU COMPOSITEUR AUTEUR, RAYMONDE SIMON PHILIP, OSTYN ROWLANDS THOMAS OWEN M, DOSEN STEPHANIE, SIMONS EDMUND JOHN

Stephanie Dosen gets a writing credit. As does Simon Raymonde - founder of Bella Union records (I Break Horses, Midlake, Flaming Lips - all with Chem connections), acquantance/friend of Tom, and of course former Cocteau Twin.

**EDIT**: Stephanie Dosen has also released music on Mr Raymonde's Bella Union label e.g: A Lily For The Spectre (https://www.discogs.com/Stephanie-Dosen-A-Lily-For-The-Spectre/release/1514313), an album which featured production and performance from Mr Raymonde. I wonder if something from her music has been sampled here?

9 out of 10 No Geography tracks listed here now. Eve Of Destruction seems to be the missing title.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Enjoyed on Apr 10, 2019, 17:16
EVE OF DESTRUCTION
Composer/Author: SIMONS, EDMUND JOHN
Composer/Author: ROWLANDS, THOMAS OWEN MOSTYN
Composer/Author: JACKSON, LEROY O'NIEL JR
Composer/Author: CALLOWAY, JAMES J
Composer/Author: AKSNES, AURORA
Composer/Author: KATO, AKANE
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 10, 2019, 17:49
Quote from: Enjoyed on Apr 10, 2019, 17:16

EVE OF DESTRUCTION
Composer/Author: SIMONS, EDMUND JOHN
Composer/Author: ROWLANDS, THOMAS OWEN MOSTYN
Composer/Author: JACKSON, LEROY O'NIEL JR
Composer/Author: CALLOWAY, JAMES J
Composer/Author: AKSNES, AURORA
Composer/Author: KATO, AKANE
A-ha! (did I miss it yesterday, or is it new today? ??? )

James Calloway and Leroy O'Neill Jackson (who I think is AKA Leroy Burgess) wrote the original 1978 version of Weekend by Phreek (https://www.discogs.com/Phreek-Weekend-Have-A-Good-Day/release/766340). The track was then covered by Class Action in 1983. Both versions involved Larry Levan and vocalist Christine Wiltshire. I believe the Chems have sampled the Class Action version.
So, comfirmation that they kept the Weekend sample in this one.

Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Bosco on Apr 08, 2021, 18:29
bumping this. And could we potentially move this thread into another topic? I think this thread applies to any potentially new or unreleased tracks beyond 'No Geography'

Any who, I briefly looked over to see if anything new popped up due to the mystery over the new RSD release.

This caught my eye:

THE DARKNESS YOU FEAR
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 08, 2021, 19:38
Is THIS (https://www.discogs.com/artist/258402-John-Ellison) Ellison Willie J?

Something sampled from his act Soul Brothers Six (https://www.discogs.com/artist/258400-Soul-Brothers-Six)?
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Bosco on Apr 08, 2021, 21:22
^that seems right to me.

But I'm not pulling any notable google hits in regard to "The Darkness You Fear" "Willie Ellison", "John Ellison", "Willie John Ellison"  and "Chemical Brothers"
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Enjoyed on Apr 08, 2021, 22:42
Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 08, 2021, 19:38

Is THIS (https://www.discogs.com/artist/258402-John-Ellison) Ellison Willie J?

Something sampled from his act Soul Brothers Six (https://www.discogs.com/artist/258400-Soul-Brothers-Six)?

This seems like the most likely scenario. I searched 'Darkness', and 'Fear', within Willie's Discogs page and this track came up a number of times. Probably more likely due to it being their biggest hit (by my limited searching) but with Toms recent disposition for funk sampling and riffs, there's definitely things in this that I could hear making their way into a Chems track.
Starts with a drum break too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51LHNriPZf4
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Stefan on Apr 11, 2021, 14:39
Wild speculation here, but maybe it's the track for Record Store Day? (if it will be a new track)
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 11, 2021, 14:50
Quote from: Stefan on Apr 11, 2021, 14:39

Wild speculation here, but maybe it's the track for Record Store Day? (if it will be a new track)

I'm presuming that's why Bosco brought it up.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Bosco on Apr 14, 2021, 07:11
I'm thinking this one might have legs:
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtXdtDKhJxs

There is an instrumental version too:

Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7CfWCsCBTY
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 14, 2021, 11:20
^ good to see you're really getting stuck into the detective work, Bosco!
Your mission, should you chose to accept it, is to listen to every track from Mr Ellison/Soul Brothers Six from 1966 to 2008 - for Chemical research purposes. Album tracks, B-sides - the lot. I mean some of this stuff isn't even on Spotify never mind YouTube, but I'm putting my faith in you on this!

I honsetly hope your suggested track ain't it. Other than the synth bass, there is absolutely nothing on there that floats my boat.
The good news is that there's some mighty fine stuff from earlier in his career. Like this track below. Oh my god that's the funky shit.

JOHN ELLISON - You've Got To Have Rhythm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDgIcjdHwrI
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Bosco on Apr 14, 2021, 17:58
Yeah, that intro to the track you posted sounds like it has a lot of looping potential.

There really is a bunch to choose from (albeit, not all conveniently available), and I don't really know what particular bit either lyrically or sound wise they might be searching for. So I'll refrain from making any further assumptions until we have some more bread crumbs to follow.

I will say, "Some Kind of Wonderful" is quite the legacy for Willie Ellison. Although I'm more fimiliar with Grand Funk Railroad's version, I can't tell you how many times I've heard that song.

Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: inchemwetrust on Apr 16, 2021, 00:54
The darkness that you fear seems to have lyrics now? Weird! The track is not even out yet!

How does that happen?
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 16, 2021, 14:42
Quote from: inchemwetrust on Apr 16, 2021, 00:54

The darkness that you fear seems to have lyrics now? Weird! The track is not even out yet!

How does that happen?

Ohhhhh, these lyrics. (https://genius.com/The-chemical-brothers-the-darkness-that-you-fear-lyrics) Where did they come from? Well if they're right then it must be I'll Be Loving You.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU23OFBQxKI

BIG EDIT. Also one of my fellow countrymen(!) in the Netherlands has pretty much confirmed that The Darkness That You Fear (full title) is indeed this year's Chemical RSD release. TBH I'm not sure why the title is embargoed everywhere else...

CLICK. (https://recordstoreday.nl/album/the-darkness-that-you-fear/)
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Stefan on Apr 16, 2021, 16:45
I'm hoping that this will be available one way or another for non-vinyl-collecting folks. I'd happily buy a CD at the record store.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Bosco on Apr 16, 2021, 19:04
Well, if that is the actual lyrics and the aptly titled Soul Brothers Six track is where we presume part of the lyrics and or music was borrowed, there is still remaining lyrics and vocal contribution unaccounted for. So either Tom is unleashing the golden pipes, or something is missing, right?
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: hstn on Apr 16, 2021, 22:52
Quote from: Bosco on Apr 16, 2021, 19:04

Well, if that is the actual lyrics and the aptly titled Soul Brothers Six track is where we presume part of the lyrics and or music was borrowed, there is still remaining lyrics and vocal contribution unaccounted for. So either Tom is unleashing the golden pipes, or something is missing, right?

This likely could be taking the WGTT route where the sample or vocal was interpolated by another vocalist.

Semi related but I wonder if this is a part of that https://www.instagram.com/p/CAItlDAHrz0/?igshid=1vuki2v5ajjjo
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Bosco on Apr 17, 2021, 06:09
Quote from: hstn on Apr 16, 2021, 22:52

This likely could be taking the WGTT route where the sample or vocal was interpolated by another vocalist.

Definitely. I certainly expect that.

Also, I think I found a big piece...

Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vafpw8VCeIU

Lyrics include:

"Let your heart see the colors all around you"
"And the darkness that you fear will disappear"
"Let your heart see thе colors"
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: kosek on Apr 17, 2021, 07:22
This forum is going to recreate the track from name and samples before it is even released.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Bosco on Apr 17, 2021, 07:51
yes, yes, but the most important detail is Bugaloo girl was a major babe
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 17, 2021, 11:24
Great spot Bosco. I'm surprised that Hal Yoergler (https://www.discogs.com/Bugaloos-For-A-Friend-The-Senses-Of-Our-World/release/5017060) doesn't get a writing credit though...

For the B-side (ahh, B-sides...) I would like the Chems to sample the chorus from this. [Also, they're meant to be British?]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_8gIIJL028


Quote from: kosek on Apr 17, 2021, 07:22

This forum is going to recreate the track from name and samples before it is even released.

Would love to hear the efforts of our more talented music makers here on the forum. Preferably incorporating the flutes at 1.33 in Bosco's clip (The Test's flutes are great, right?). Maybe some "real" drums like on the Noel Collabs/I'll See You There. Lots of psychedelic shit with those rising noises that Tom likes so much.
Just follow the lyrics for a rough template and go nuts!
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Bosco on Apr 17, 2021, 18:02
Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 17, 2021, 11:24

I'm surprised that Hal Yoergler (https://www.discogs.com/Bugaloos-For-A-Friend-The-Senses-Of-Our-World/release/5017060) doesn't get a writing credit though...

Do you need to cite/credit if you partially use lyrics from a track but not reuse any musical elements from it?

I'm thinking like the track "Snow" here. Jackie Wilson's - [Your Love Keeps Lifting Me] Higher and Higher, but no musical elements are taken.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: hstn on Apr 19, 2021, 18:40
WE HAVE A PREVIEW AND A DROP DATE!!!! https://umusic.digital/udbtqf/?sharetoken=

AND MY GOODNESS IT'S BEAUTIFUL (AND IT'S THE ABOVE INSTAGRAM CLIP I POSTED!!!)
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 19, 2021, 18:57
Quote from: Bosco on Apr 17, 2021, 18:02

Do you need to cite/credit if you partially use lyrics from a track but not reuse any musical elements from it?

I'm thinking like the track "Snow" here. Jackie Wilson's - [Your Love Keeps Lifting Me] Higher and Higher, but no musical elements are taken.

From what I can tell, they have used elements of the Bugaloos tune. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Bosco on Apr 19, 2021, 19:22
I'm refraining to listen to the preview. Does any Willie John Ellison elements appear? Can we nail that one down, too?

and great call on Peppermint Patty clip, HSTN! I'm pretty psyched for that majestic fantasy type sound.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 19, 2021, 19:25
Quote from: Bosco on Apr 19, 2021, 19:22

I'm refraining to listen to the preview. Does any Willie John Ellison elements appear? Can we nail that one down, too?


What are you like? Go on!! Yes, it's literally the words "I'll be loving you, yes I will" from my embed in repy #46 above. As per that lyrics website. Sounds like a direct sample from Soul Brothers Six. Sounds like a recreation of the Bugaloos part.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Bosco on Apr 19, 2021, 19:41
Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 19, 2021, 19:25

What are you like? Go on!!

let me practice my audio-erotic asphyxiation in peace thank you very much

:music
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: inchemwetrust on Apr 19, 2021, 19:51
Quote from: hstn on Apr 19, 2021, 18:40

WE HAVE A PREVIEW AND A DROP DATE!!!! https://umusic.digital/udbtqf/?sharetoken=

AND MY GOODNESS IT'S BEAUTIFUL (AND IT'S THE ABOVE INSTAGRAM CLIP I POSTED!!!)

Thanks hstn!

The sound is still in the No Geography era! The Chems pulling an 'Avalanche' of some sorts with these type of tracks.

And im loving every second of it...or maybe not

I like the vocals,reminds me of some distant magical place, but the rest it feels like something I heard before. I'll let this ride out till the release for a full listen. So far it's ok but not sure to make of it yet!




Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: VMan on Apr 19, 2021, 20:19
Sounds chuffin good, but I get there's a familiarity with it. Definitely need to listen in full before passing judgement.

I'm hoping I can bag this on vinyl (I live nowhere near an RSD Shop though 😓)

Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: 𝒥𝑅𝒮𝒵 on Apr 19, 2021, 20:53
Just saw the post on fb, and came to chembase to know more, as always, you did your job!

The preview really hypes me up for the full track
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: rynostar on Apr 19, 2021, 21:15
Getting Midnight Madness vibes, in terms of release timing.

Those low filter horns, can anyone pick off those in either the Bugaloos (oh dear god, I hope we don't attract any Proud Boy types to the forum due to the sample) or the Soul Brothers Six tracks?
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 19, 2021, 22:13
Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 19, 2021, 19:25

What are you like? Go on!! Yes, it's literally the words "I'll be loving you, yes I will" from my embed in repy #46 above. As per that lyrics website. Sounds like a direct sample from Soul Brothers Six. Sounds like a recreation of the Bugaloos part.
No it doesn't. I guess the laptop speakers on my new Dell ain't so hot. It's re-recorded.

Quote from: rynostar on Apr 19, 2021, 21:15


Those low filter horns, can anyone pick off those in either the Bugaloos (oh dear god, I hope we don't attract any Proud Boy types to the forum due to the sample) or the Soul Brothers Six tracks?

Wait, what? I can't hear any horns, and I didn't know that Bugaloos = right wing/ alt-right. V confused!
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: rynostar on Apr 19, 2021, 23:00
Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 19, 2021, 22:13

Wait, what? I can't hear any horns, and I didn't know that Bugaloos = right wing/ alt-right. V confused!

First 7 seconds (of the preview link) sounds like filtered saxophones to me....

I'm (badly) associating the name Bugaloo with Boogaloo Bois (Crazy right incel terrorists who hit  the Capitol building). The "Bugaloos" probably don't have any right wing / alt-right connections.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Csar on Apr 20, 2021, 09:40
Thanks HSTN for the preview link! Well, the "all arooound you" vocals sound a bit strange in this short clip at the moment but the second half is pretty exciting to me, especially when the drums kick in. Just give me some proper drum rolls here and there and I'll be a happy man.
Like InDust mentioned, the first half does have some Avalanches Surrender remix vibes, maybe that's why it sounds so familiar. Looking forward to the whole thing, I do love me some new Chems stuff! The song's message is what I need right now, too.

Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 16, 2021, 14:42

BIG EDIT. Also one of my fellow countrymen(!) in the Netherlands has pretty much confirmed that The Darkness That You Fear (full title) is indeed this year's Chemical RSD release.
Is this "Irishfan" by any chance? He was also the one breaking the secret news about Midnight Madness back in 2007.

Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: inchemwetrust on Apr 21, 2021, 16:17
Quote from: Csar on Apr 20, 2021, 09:40

Thanks HSTN for the preview link! Well, the "all arooound you" vocals sound a bit strange in this short clip at the moment but the second half is pretty exciting to me, especially when the drums kick in. Just give me some proper drum rolls here and there and I'll be a happy man.

This! My exact feelings spot on.

I would like the track to have some type of impact such as no geography ( the track,not the album) but not too soft ( like swoon

Needs to be somewhere in between those two opposites maybe!

Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: hstn on Apr 21, 2021, 21:05
Quote from: VMan on Apr 19, 2021, 20:19

Sounds chuffin good, but I get there's a familiarity with it. Definitely need to listen in full before passing judgement.

I'm hoping I can bag this on vinyl (I live nowhere near an RSD Shop though 😓)
Quote from: inchemwetrust on Apr 21, 2021, 16:17

This! My exact feelings spot on.

I would like the track to have some type of impact such as no geography ( the track,not the album) but not too soft ( like swoon

Needs to be somewhere in between those two opposites maybe!

In a way it reminds me of a lot of what Tom produced for the Klaxons, specifically this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFYYiIVT1B0

This remix when played at WHP 2013 was thought to be a new chems track which is prolly why it feels familiar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHzwdgF-H4k

Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: thg on Apr 21, 2021, 21:41
I just heard the other two excerpts from the new song on Apple Event from yesterday (at the beginning and end of the video).
It is so beautiful! I can't wait to listen to the full track this Friday!  :music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdBYVNuky1M
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Bosco on Apr 23, 2021, 19:53
Is it coincidence Peppermint Patty (though a cartoon and minus the known tomboy aspect) has the same features of Bugaloo girl and was a hint all this time?


After letting the song settle in, I'm kinda baffled the Bugaloos (and or the person who wrote the Bugaloos song) gets no writing credit here. It's an integral part lyrically, and even more-so than the "I'll be loving you" part (which did get credit).

Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Bosco on Apr 23, 2021, 20:11
Also, appears to be two new entries (was 247 when I found The Darkenss You Fear, is now 249) on SACEM under: Thomas Rowlands

On mobile right now, so kinda cumbersome to find what's new. Have at it guys and gals, let us know what it is.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 23, 2021, 21:58
Quote from: Bosco on Apr 23, 2021, 19:53

After letting the song settle in, I'm kinda baffled the Bugaloos (and or the person who wrote the Bugaloos song) gets no writing credit here. It's an integral part lyrically, and even more-so than the "I'll be loving you" part (which did get credit).
Colour me baffled too.
A thought: this was a song written for a kids TV show over 50 years ago. I wonder if it's possible that the copyright has been allowed to run out?

Quote from: Bosco on Apr 23, 2021, 20:11

Also, appears to be two new entries (was 247 when I found The Darkenss You Fear, is now 249) on SACEM under: Thomas Rowlands

Don't get too excited. It seems today's tune has been listed a second time, this time with the missing "That" which wasn't in the original title listing.
In addition an instrumental listing has been added too.
I guess the instrumental will be of interest to Chemical completists around here, but isn't quite as exciting as you had perhaps hoped, Detective Bosco.

Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Bosco on Apr 23, 2021, 23:12
Darn, well thanks for doing the grind work there. Was hoping the new entries might spill some further details on upcoming RSD release.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 24, 2021, 12:48
Quote from: Bosco on Apr 23, 2021, 19:53

After letting the song settle in, I'm kinda baffled the Bugaloos (and or the person who wrote the Bugaloos song) gets no writing credit here. It's an integral part lyrically, and even more-so than the "I'll be loving you" part (which did get credit).

Another thought: Sacem may simply be incomplete.
Let's take another example. Shut Up And Drive by Rihanna. A song so famous it has its own wikipedia page. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shut_Up_and_Drive)
Loking at the writing credits on there, we can see Rogers, Sturken and all four original members of New Order. Why? Because if you listen carefully you can hear the basic Blue Monday chords playing on guitar underneath the vocal.

On the  PRS site (Sacem equivalent in the UK) it also lists these songwriters, and it even lists the per centage split of the royalties. But on Sacem, none of the New Order members are listed; just Rogers & Sturken. It's incomplete.
Unfortunately you have to be a member of PRS to access their site for info.

We've already seen weird spelling mistakes and broken-up song titles on Sacem. Even TDTYF was listed with a word missing, so they've now listed it again.
I wonder if Sacem have simply made an error in not listing the Bugaloos song writer.

Annoyingly there are very few performing rights/copyright wevbsites that can be easily accessed without membership. Sacem and the Israeli equivalent are the only ones that I know of...

Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Bosco on Apr 24, 2021, 17:55
Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 24, 2021, 12:48

Another thought: Sacem may simply be incomplete.
Let's take another example. Shut Up And Drive by Rihanna. A song so famous it has its own wikipedia page. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shut_Up_and_Drive)
Loking at the writing credits on there, we can see Rogers, Sturken and all four original members of New Order. Why? Because if you listen carefully you can hear the basic Blue Monday chords playing on guitar underneath the vocal.

On the  PRS site (Sacem equivalent in the UK) it also lists these songwriters, and it even lists the per centage split of the royalties. But on Sacem, none of the New Order members are listed; just Rogers & Sturken. It's incomplete.
Unfortunately you have to be a member of PRS to access their site for info.

We've already seen weird spelling mistakes and broken-up song titles on Sacem. Even TDTYF was listed with a word missing, so they've now listed it again.
I wonder if Sacem have simply made an error in not listing the Bugaloos song writer.

Annoyingly there are very few performing rights/copyright wevbsites that can be easily accessed without membership. Sacem and the Israeli equivalent are the only ones that I know of...

Yup, you're right on all of this.

The only thing I can add is, unless we're the artist being sampled, it shouldn't really matter to us. We're just ravenous fans that are maybe a bit too nosey for our own good.

That being said, I won't stop until Uncle Eddie barks at me and says to go to time-out.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 24, 2021, 20:12
It seems the Bugaloos vocal is a direct sample. Here she is; joined twitter today.
Presumably looking for a vocal credit rather than a writing credit (as she didn't write it).

https://twitter.com/Carolin51917585/status/1385937949062279171


https://twitter.com/ChemBros/status/1386040149847547907
https://twitter.com/ChemBros/status/1386040983633137669
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Bosco on Apr 24, 2021, 22:11
When I saw these tweets about spelling out the sample sources, I nearly thought this might be a response from HQ to our shenanigans.  ::)

Not sure how I feel knowing that Caroline Ellis was left in the dark prior to the release of this track, but then again like Wolkenkrabber has said, she wasn't the writer or owner of the lyrics even though she sung them. So is there legal grounds for crediting a vocalist? I have no clue.

I have no problems with her being a little miffed. Hope they get her name on the physical release (and maybe edit the digital release) and display a vocal credit or simply featuring Caroline Ellis.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Stefan on Apr 25, 2021, 20:56
I don't think this is relevant here, but I recently read this twitter thread about Taylor Swifts music and IP laws, and this stuff is weeeird:
https://twitter.com/ThatsMauvelous/status/1380572708879089674

Failing to give proper credit, especially by big artists, doesn't look good, but I assume that the band, or their management, or the record label, or whoever, pays people to check these things, and that those people don't give a fart to give credit where it's not legally required.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Csar on Apr 25, 2021, 21:11
You would think that with a prominent and almost untouched sample like this a clearance check would be a given (do we know who the IP owner is?). I can't imagine otherwise, I mean the brothers and labels are no rookies in that department and would certainly try to avoid legal battles. I also believe the Bugaloos would be credited in a phyical release like they always do with direct (clearly discernable) samples, perhaps we're going to see that on RSD?!?.
Like Bosco said, it would have been nice, though, if they had reached out the Bugaloos to let them know.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Stefan on Apr 25, 2021, 21:15
I have no doubt about clearance checks, but the result may just be: this can be used without any further actions or requirements .
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: inchemwetrust on Apr 25, 2021, 22:13
Quote from: Bosco on Apr 24, 2021, 22:11

but then again like Wolkenkrabber has said, she wasn't the writer or owner of the lyrics even though she sung them. So is there legal grounds for crediting a vocalist? I have no clue.

I think your right! Take the Grammy awards for an example: The song of the year nominee. The winner of this award goes to the actual songwriter, not the singer or performer

Quote from: Stefan on Apr 25, 2021, 21:15

I have no doubt about clearance checks, but the result may just be: this can be used without any further actions or requirements .

and Caroline Ellis (in a technical sense) didnt need to know, because this is the music business BUT

Quote from: Bosco on Apr 24, 2021, 22:11

When I saw these tweets about spelling out the sample sources, I nearly thought this might be a response from HQ to our shenanigans.  ::)

Bosco, you and the rest of you forumites did a good thing. You brought out someone who was in obscurity for a long time and mentioined her while bringing her back to somewhat a relevant yet perfect timing in this day of age.( I think she just opened a twitter account because of this.)

I honestly think that the Chems and Caroline can wash this over behind the scenes. But would be cool if the Chems can make an exception to provide the credit.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Enjoyed on Apr 25, 2021, 23:34
Weren't we speculating that they had recreated the sample? A la WGTT?

I know the tweet from the Brothers (HQ) mentions the Bugaloos as a direct sample, but if they did recreate it, AND it's not written by her, then there's even less reason to inform her. They didn't tell Diane Di Prima either. And likely because in both cases it's the record label that they're (the Chems' record label) dealing with for the performance rights. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of artists from that era really have no say what is done with their recorded work. And opening a dialogue with, in this case, someone who shouldn't legally be involved in the discussion, just adds extra headaches to all involved.

Interesting though. My wife has been asking me how the Bugaloos feel about their work becoming so integral to a CB tune and I didn't really have an answer until now! We were discussing the morality of recreating samples too - particularly faithful, almost indiscernible, recreations. It's definitely a murky lake to wade through.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Bosco on Apr 26, 2021, 06:46
Quote from: Stefan on Apr 25, 2021, 20:56

I don't think this is relevant here, but I recently read this twitter thread about Taylor Swifts music and IP laws, and this stuff is weeeird:
https://twitter.com/ThatsMauvelous/status/1380572708879089674

That is a wild story.

Quote from: Stefan on Apr 25, 2021, 21:15

I have no doubt about clearance checks, but the result may just be: this can be used without any further actions or requirements .

I'm pretty sure this is the case. Agreed.

That being said, again, I'm sympathetic to Caroline Ellis. Assuming that her Twitter account is authentic, I would imagine it being quite shocking hearing your 50 year old recorded voice getting recycled into a song for today, and then also used for the opening/outro to a major promotional event for a company like Apple. Not being notified until after-the-fact, is pretty cold hearted.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 26, 2021, 10:39
Quote from: Enjoyed on Apr 25, 2021, 23:34

Interesting though. My wife has been asking me how the Bugaloos feel about their work becoming so integral to a CB tune and I didn't really have an answer until now! We were discussing the morality of recreating samples too - particularly faithful, almost indiscernible, recreations. It's definitely a murky lake to wade through.
Maybe I'm in a cold-hearted mood, but the Bugaloos were a TV Show band. If the Chems had sampled the Muppets singing something, should the muppet singers seek any special acknowledgement? Or if they sampled dialogue from Magnum PI (and paid the TV company), should Tom Selleck seek a credit?

Having said that, I suspect the reason for those Chemical tweets was nothing to do with us. We had the answers before the track came out! I suspect it was a way of "crediting" Ms Ellis. - Being polite (having clearly seen her tweet).

Also re the Soul Brothers Six sample, at first I said it was a direct sample, then I changed my mind and said it's been re-recorded. But following the Chems tweets which also went on their Facebook, a random fan on the Chems facebook page replied to me to suggest (i.e. guess) it is a direct sample that's been pitched up. And that's what I'm currently leaning towards FWIW.

As for re-recording/interpolation. Well, you're just doing a (bit of) a cover version. If you're paying the royaties I don't see a problem with that. I don't have a problem with Shinichi Osawa doing Star Guitar for example. The Chems liked it so much, he did DJ support for them on their last Japanese tour!

PS Stars On 45 were re-creating Beatles songs (amazingly well) for their disco-mix medley album (and singles) (https://www.discogs.com/Stars-On-45-Estrellas-En-45/master/195026) as far back as 1981.

PPS...
Quote from: Enjoyed on Apr 25, 2021, 23:34

Weren't we speculating that they had recreated the sample? A la WGTT?

I know the tweet from the Brothers (HQ) mentions the Bugaloos as a direct sample, but if they did recreate it, ...
Caroline says in her one and only tweet that it is her.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Csar on Apr 26, 2021, 21:41
I don't know whether it was there all along but they give full credits in the description below their video.

Quote
Vocal samples: Caroline Ellis on The Bugaloos' "The Senses Of Our World" (1970) & John Ellison on "I'll Be Loving You" by Soul Brothers Six (1967)
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: ThePumisher on Sep 04, 2021, 18:38
There's one called "Slow Butt Grind" credited to Tom & Ed  :D

EBW9 is listed as "The Wizard Rush"

There is also one named "Problems" (problem/question?)




Its hard to find the unclear between the already released because a lot of the released stuff had weird or at least wrong names which slightly differ to the real names.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: hstn on Sep 05, 2021, 04:06
Quote from: ThePumisher on Sep 04, 2021, 18:38

There's one called "Slow Butt Grind" credited to Tom & Ed  :D

EBW9 is listed as "The Wizard Rush"

There is also one named "Problems" (problem/question?)




Its hard to find the unclear between the already released because a lot of the released stuff had weird or at least wrong names which slightly differ to the real names.

Wasn't Slow Butt Grind attributed to the ending of Elektrobank?
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: 𝒥𝑅𝒮𝒵 on Sep 05, 2021, 04:12
Quote from: hstn on Sep 05, 2021, 04:06

Wasn't Slow Butt Grind attributed to the ending of Elektrobank?

It might be, as for example the outro beats of The Prodigy's Narayan are in fact the separate live jam track called Firedrill
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: hstn on Sep 05, 2021, 11:01
Quote from: JRSZ on Sep 05, 2021, 04:12

It might be, as for example the outro beats of The Prodigy's Narayan are in fact the separate live jam track called Firedrill

From Tim's Twitter Listening Party back in April
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/731947475102859274/884030320612081664/unknown.png)
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: 𝒥𝑅𝒮𝒵 on Sep 05, 2021, 17:30
Quote from: hstn on Sep 05, 2021, 11:01

From Tim's Twitter Listening Party back in April
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/731947475102859274/884030320612081664/unknown.png)

It always sound like the recording of armageddon for me B)

Also, I completely forgot about this, must have missed it, or dunno, as I attented thsle listening party

Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Bosco on Apr 19, 2022, 20:10
Couple of new songs registered (I think.) Can someone research the names and maybe put the pieces together?

Something new in the works with Tim Burgess? Diamond Dave (David Lee Roth), what???

Also, the number I remember searching was greater before it was closer to 250 results, now condensed to 222 searching, "Thomas Rowlands".
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 19, 2022, 21:33
Quote from: Bosco on Apr 19, 2022, 20:10

Couple of new songs registered (I think.) Can someone research the names and maybe put the pieces together?
A lackey to do the donkey work? Surely you don't want us to steal your thunder on this Bosco?!


Quote from: Bosco on Apr 19, 2022, 20:10

Also, the number I remember searching was greater before it was closer to 250 results, now condensed to 222 searching, "Thomas Rowlands".
Hmm weird, let us know if you figure it out.

Must say I wish I'd logged in before reading your post. Didn't see your screenshots at first.
Isn't DLR the guy who once sent the Chems a video of him syncing along to one of their songs?
click. (http://rockdirt.com/david-lee-roths-crazy-video-clip-online/1429/) or click2 (http://www.hennemusic.com/2010/08/david-lee-roths-no-holds-bbq.html)
Have they actually done something with him for real? :o It's not even a Tom-only type deal which might suggest Tom worked on a new track for a Diamond Dave album. It lists Ed too whch suggests it's an official Chems track (!). We've already had April 1st right?

As for the Tim Burgess "Why D You Lie" entry, the other songwriters listed are clearly the members of Full Force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Force). Suggests a sample of one of their own tracks or something they wrote/produced for another artist. ( I bought a Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam 12" once upon a time...)
I'm a little surprised to see Tim involved for a third time. With the last album it felt like a deliberate move away from the old guests and a bid for some new blood with Aurora...

I wonder if these could be old songs newly registered?..
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: ThePumisher on Apr 19, 2022, 22:42
Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 19, 2022, 21:33

Isn't DLR the guy who once sent the Chems a video of him syncing along to one of their songs?
click. (http://rockdirt.com/david-lee-roths-crazy-video-clip-online/1429/) or click2 (http://www.hennemusic.com/2010/08/david-lee-roths-no-holds-bbq.html)
Have they actually done something with him for real? :o It's not even a Tom-only type deal which might suggest Tom worked on a new track for a Diamond Dave album. It lists Ed too whch suggests it's an official Chems track (!).

Behind your first click it says the songs are his cover versions [...] and the Chemical Brothers' "Dig Your Own Hole," which he calls "'How About A Little Fire' Scarecrow?". In Boscos first screenshot the registered song is titled as Scarecrow. And because the internet doesn't forget theres a video of that song in very poor quality so no one is able to hear DYOH in it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwxNB8Ad_cA
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Bosco on Apr 20, 2022, 01:15
Man, a David Lee Roth collab would be totally unexpected, potentially disastrous, and so incredibly fun. Kinda bummed it seems to be for the this Scarecrow track from this rare "No Holds Bar-B-Que" tape. Why this is showing up now, is a bit of a mystery. Maybe this is getting re-released? Would still like to hear it in better quality.


As for "Why'd You Lie", this seems like the track potentially in question:

Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBdvwCySopA

Produced by Full Force crew, and the mystery ladies listed, Nyanda & Nailah Thorbourne, are 'Brick & Lace'

I'm not hearing a whole lot that would inspire Tom and Ed borrow from this track. The chorus, maybe interpolated?


Edit: It just came to me that the chorus in the Brick & Lace, is sang in the way of Simon and Garfunkel's "The Boxer". So either this one large coincidence being Tim Burgess sang in The Boxer for Chemical Brothers, or some deep level cross reference fail.
Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 20, 2022, 02:20
Is the chorus the bit from 1:01 to 1:14? Cos if it is, then the chorus is a straight steal from Simon & Garfunkle's The Boxer.
Ohhhh The Boxer!! They've credited the wrong Boxer!!! HaHaHa!!!! :))

They've credited the Tim Burgess/Chems Boxer on SACEM instead of crediting Paul Simon. I think this is a false alarm. A F**k up by SACEM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3LFML_pxlY

PS David Lee Roth announced his retirement a couple of years ago. Don't hold your breath on that one either.


(https://media.giphy.com/media/13d2jHlSlxklVe/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: A ton of new Tom Rowlands/Chemical Brothers titles registered at SACEM
Post by: Bosco on Apr 20, 2022, 02:25
lol, just was editing my post!