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Title: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: WhiteNoise on Feb 04, 2018, 17:35
So a more formalized of this should be added to the wiki sometime, if we're starting it. Here's a text doc I compiled of unreleased stuff, gonna dump it here instead of sitting on it!


Unheard. Has been mentioned but no audio can be found of it.
Heard. Can be heard somewhere essentially in full.
Kinda Heard. Can be heard, but not in its original state (i.e. the way the unreleased Bjork remix turned into Dig Your Own Hole) or not in a clean environment (i.e. live audio recordings or in the background of a film).
Disputed. We either can't confirm it exists, or we can't confirm it's actually by The Chemical Brothers.

Songs:

Here Come The Drums
Unheard - Wholly unreleased and unfinished, though rumors of it keep popping up. The funny thing is it could have already been released under a different name and we would never know.

Problem/Question (aka The Animal Track)
Heard - Played live in 2005, updated version played in a few 2006 DJ sets, and pressed on a rare few records. Originally penciled in as EBW 8, but shelved due to "bassline issues" according to the band. One belongs to Justin Robertson, and another was obtained by Fake Blood who put a few seconds of it on a minimix in 2009.

Dopeness on a Pill
Unheard - Working title or unreleased track from the Exit Planet Dust sessions.

Just Dust
Unheard - Working title or unreleased track from the Exit Planet Dust sessions.

Just Say Yo
Unheard - Working title or unreleased track from the Exit Planet Dust sessions.

Superflash (Studio Version)
Heard - There's a live version on Don't Think, but there's a longer studio version they've been DJing with which hasn't turned up yet. It may never be released.

Electric Hands
Kinda Heard - One of two original songs made for the film Black Swan. It hasn't been released on it's own, but you can hear it in the film during a restaurant scene behind the dialog and sound effects. It's hard to tell if the track is what it is considering it isn't stated where the tracks are featured and we don't have anything to compare it to other than looking for the "Chemical" sound.

Danka Jane
Kinda Heard - The other original song made for the film Black Swan, it can reportedly be heard in the film directly after Nina Frequency. Only Tom is credited as the writer for Danka Jane and Electric Hands, despite The Chemical Brothers being credited as the performer of both. This and the RAR studios remix of I Break Horses marked the beginning of Ed's "school hiatus" and the period of solo work by Tom.

Contra
Unheard - a title found alongside Reflexion on a mastering portfolio, title was confirmed by Ed on Twitter and Tom called the track "still a work in progress". Maybe it's CHEMICAL, since it would have been mastered for DJing around that time but was still considered a work in progress and wasn't released until a year after BITE.

Life of Galileo Soundtrack
Mostly unheard - Tom Rowlands scored an experimental in-the-round production of Life of Galileo at the Young Vic, directed by Joe Wright (previous Vegetable Vision member and director of Hanna). Beyond a single trailer (which included new music alongside sounds from Music: Response) and a few videos taken during intermission (where a very Chemical Brothers sounding track, previously dropped in DJ sets and occasionally identified as "Here Come The Drums", played out), none of the soundtrack has been released and as the nature of theater is ephemeral, it may never be.

Trespass Against Us
Unheard / kinda unheard - Tom also scored the film Trespass Against Us, directed by Adam Smith (their longtime visual collaborator). An earlier version of the film score was composed which, according to Adam, sounded "very Chemical" and was actually rejected by Adam, who requested the film be re-composed with mostly acoustic instruments as a challenge to Tom. There are no plans on the table for a soundtrack release of the final version, and it's unknown if any of it - including the original "chemical" sounding score - will ever be released.

45 aka "Dirty Xylophones"
Heard, disputed - This is an unidentified track played during the 2019 Essential Mix at around 45:45 (hence the nickname). It can't be agreed if this is actually a Chemical Brothers song or not.

Gimme A Break [as Bonus Beats Orchestra]
Heard - very likely never to be released, this is a pile on of loads of classic and heavy sampled breakbeats following Bango in the 2019 Essential Mix in the grand tradition of Morning Lemon, (The Best Part of) Breaking Up, These Beats Are Made for Breakin, etc.

Drum Take 7 [credited as The Clapham Percussion Ensemble]
Heard - an unreleased song / tool played during the 2019 Essential Mix.

EMS Slide [credited as The Clapham Synthesizer Ensemble]
Heard - an unreleased song / tool played during the 2019 BBC Moments Mix.

Peter the Bellboy
Unheard - a title dropped by Tom as a working title for something.

Bert in Africa
Unheard - another title dropped by Tom, who knows what this is.

Bukui Psychedelico DEMO
Heard and disputed - a track found on the same Rowlands Audio Research Soundcloud as the (seemingly) legit edit of Lack of Love. It doesn't sound like any existing track, even Direct Buki,


Unreleased Versions of Existing Songs (the ones we know of):

Hot Acid Rhythm 2
Unheard - Many official sources mentioned a version of the track recorded with rapper Eve, but it was never released.

Alive Alone (Coconut Dub)
Heard - A stripped down version  originally recorded in 1994 during the album sessions, which "nearly made it on the album", but was abandoned in favor of the released version. It was broadcast on Colin Murray's In The Company Of... show in 2007, in full with a little talking over the intro and outro.

Don't Fight Control
Heard - The Chems put together a special mashup of Out Of Control and Primal Scream's Don't Fight It Feel It for DJing around 2006, which later made it into their live shows, and a flawless copy of it leaked online late 2007.

It Began in Afrika (Early Version aka Pioneer Skies Drums Version)
Heard - It Began in Afrika began as a radically different version sampling the same drums as used in Pioneer Skies. The Chems played this out at a number of DJ sets in 2001-2003 and it can be heard in a few bootlegs from that time.

Afrika (Edit Version)
Heard - another early version of It Began In Afrika, this one much more similar to the later released version but with some changes to the outro, general structure, and some noises that were cut. Found on a Virgin promo CDr backed with "Reggae for Real", which is the Singles/Tomb Raider version of Galaxy Bounce under a different name.

Nina Frequency (Alternate version of Don't Think)
Kinda Heard - The film Black Swan features an alternate version of Don't Think in the club scene, with additional sounds added into an early part of the song. The full alternate version hasn't been released or played live, but it can be heard in-film behind sound effects, and in a promotional video, which fans have used to edit together a full "Black Swan" version of the track.

Hanna Original Score (versions heard in film)
Heard - Most of the songs on the Hanna sountrack album were altered from how they sounded in the film, resulting in a much better album experience but leaving a lot of songs and versions officially unreleased. However, before the film's release a few tracks surfaced on a promotional site for the film, and a "For Your Consideration" CD was discovered and ripped by a fan a year after the film's release, featuring the soundtrack exactly as it appreared in film. Only three things can be heard in-film only - a version of Hanna vs Marissa with a 2 second synth solo added, a quick Chemical-ized edit of In The Hall of the Mountain King, and the Devil song mix during the bar scene. See my Comprehensive Extra & Alternate Hanna Material compilation for all of this.

Life Is Sweet (Extended Version / Early Version)
Heard - On their 1995 Essential Mix, mostly the same but with different mastering, a shorter intro, a longer bridge with extra radio transmission samples, and an extended outro.

Get Up On It Like This / Life Is Sweet (Mix 1) / Tow Truck Mash
Heard - The first part of the Unreleased BBC Mix 1996, aka the KDGE Dallas mix (it was a mix shipped out to a number of radio stations), ends with an extended Delik-esque jam incorperating early segments of Get Up On It Like This, the sample and beat from Dynamix II's Just Give The DJ A Break (sampled in Life Is Sweet (Mix 1)), and unfinished parts of their remix of Sabres of Paradise, which may have started as an original Chems demo before moving on to be completed as a remix.

Loops of Fury (Unknown Version)
Heard - A very different early version of Loops of Fury can be heard in the second part of the KDGE Dallas mix aka Unreleased BBC Mix, after Da Funk.

Base 6 (Early Version)
Kinda Heard - An early version with a different structure and electro beats, it was mashed up with Dig Your Own Hole in many 1997 shows.

Hey Boy Hey Girl (Breakbeat Version) (aka Anti-Nazi Version)
Heard - Found at the end of the Anti-Nazi mix, and in various DJ sets they've done over the years. It's an early version of Hey Boy Hey Girl mixed with Another Place Another Time by Frankie Bones & Lenny Dee, What You Waitin' For? by the Jungle Brothers and occasionally Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band Reprise by the Beatles as its outro, put together in 1997.

Hey Boy Hey Girl (1997 Live Version) (aka "Mind: Response")
Kinda Heard - The live version played during 1997 encores is its own song and isn't mixed with either of the songs in the above version. It also adds the vocoder from Music:Response as well as beats relocated from Not Another Drugstore. Some bootlegs consider the second half of to be an early verison of Music: Response but it's really just a continuation of the same track. This and the "Breakbeat Version" represent a completely different direction the song could have taken before the Gatecrasher influences entered. 

Hey Boy Hey Girl (Earliest Demo)
Unheard, maybe - The "earliest demo" of Hey Boy Hey Girl, which may have been the above break-beat version, something similar to the live version, or something completely different, was going to be broadcast on the same 2007 Colin Murray show that the Coconut Dub and Fight the Drabs mixes were played on. But during the show Tom and Ed deemed it "crap" and changed their minds about playing it. Murray admitted he tried to secretly hang onto the CD brought in by Tom and Ed so he could broadcast the demo later, but Tom nicked the CD on his way out.

Scale (Early Version)
Kinda heard and disputed - On the Osaka 1997 set, after the early version of Hey Boy Hey Girl, there's a long jam with a rising synth pattern and a start-stop beat sequence. It's speculated to be an early version of Scale because of Scale's rising synths, there's no evidence for or against this other than the timing being right.

Hold Tight London (Mix 2)
Unheard and disputed - Sneakerbeater listed a Mix 2 of Hold Tight London in his bonus disc wishlist for a third greatest hits collection. Sneaks might know something we don't, but it might just be wishful thinking based on the rather different live version.

The Pills Won't Help You Now (Ambient Version)
Heard - Found on the If You Start Hating You're Out of Control mix, drastically stripped down and shorter version of the original.

Let Me In Mate (Demo Versions)
Unheard - @ChemBros tweeted a picture of a found DAT tape that had two different mixes of Let Me In Mate along with three mixes of an unspecified song with vocals (probably either Life Is Sweet or Alive Alone).

Surface To Air (Guitar Tuned To D)
Heard -Early version that plays a little longer than the original, doesn't feature any vocals, is unmastered and sports a different breakdown section. Released in 2004 ahead of the album on a rare promo CD and was broadcast at least once on KEXP in 2004.

Further (Unmixed Version)
Mostly unheard - Promised by Tom, the digital MP3 copy of Further (available with a code included in the vinyl copies of the album) was supposed to be a version with no transitions between songs, but the record company uploaded a low quality 160kbps copy of the normal CD album. Tom tried to get this fixed but it was never corrected. Missing would be endings to Snow, K+D+B, and possibly Horsepower; a beginning to Wonders of the Deep; and a not-crossfaded intro/outro to Another World and Dissolve. Escape Velocity is available on its own in an etched vinyl as well as Swoon (no differences) on its single, and the unmixed ending to Dissolve can be heard on the vinyl copy of Further.

This is Not a Game / Taste of Honey (Third Version)
Unheard - A third version of these related tracks was recorded with another artist at one point, according to Tom. We speculate that a full version with Lorde was recorded, with just the "There it is" vocal samples remaining in the officially released version.

Radiate (Techno Version)
Unheard - A longer dancier version of Radiate exists, according to Tom.

C-H-E-M-I-C-A-L (Multiple Early Versions)
Kinda heard - Multiple versions of this track were tested in DJ sets from 2012-2015 before the song's final release in 2016, with significant different sections and synth lines. Many videos of these versions are still available online, but many have been lost too.

Eve of Destruction (Early Version)
Kinda heard - An early version of Eve of Destruction dropped in DJ sets ahead of No Geography, featuring vocals that did not end up on the final track and different use of the "maybe I'll find a friend" sample, among other changes. Some of these elements showed up on "Eve of Dubstruction" but in a different manner, this exact early version is still unreleased.

Got To Keep On (Early Version)
Kinda heard - Early versions of Got To Keep On also dropped in DJ sets featured an instrumental bridge that was cut from the final version. This bridge showed up on Fantai, so this one's... basically released, if anyone wants to put together a fan edit like Nina Frequency.

The Universe Sent Me (Alternate Essential Mix Instrumental)
Heard - Without the humming vocal added to the commercially released version, and with some additional sounds introduced in the mix. Heard only on the 2019 Essential Mix.

No Geography (Extended Mix) (and other NG-era songs)
Unheard - When asked if they would release No Geography (the song) as a single, Ed mentioned the song was "a shortened version" and that they "might do some extended versions of some of the tracks that are mixed together or a little bit shorter" next time they were in the studio.

Music:Response (Live from Orinico Mix)
Heard - the final track on the 2019 Essential Mix is a jam with the Music:Response vocoder, probably taken from the album's recording sessions based on the title. A little foreshadowing for the 20th Anniversary release.


Unreleased Remixes (and notable DJ edits):

The Charlatans - Feel The Pressure (Chemical Brothers Acid Remix)
Kinda heard - Dropped in a number of DJ sets around 2003 (the full version can be heard on a Centro-Fly bootleg) and heard in studio quality only for a short while in the 2007 Facebook Mix. A very different and way less acid version of the remix was released as Feel The Pressure (Chemical Brothers Dub).

I Break Horses - Unknown (any number of songs from the album Hearts)
Unheard - According to Simon Raymonde, Tom did three mixes of tracks from her album, and only the mix of Hearts was released. Simon is apparently sitting on the other two, which likely will never be officially released.

Bjork - Hyperballad
Kinda heard - Bjork rejected the remix on account of her "aversion to slap bass", but the Chemical Brothers reworked the remix, sans any Bjork, and turned it into Dig Your Own Hole. We still don't know what the Bjork version would have sounded like, chucking an acapella of Hyperballad onto Dig Your Own Hole yields odd results.

The Stone Roses - Begging You
Unheard - A remix which "had potential", but was shelved mid-way through after The Stone Roses changed their minds.

Massive Attack - Teardrop
Heard - an unfinished demo of the remix was debuted in Tom's Pete Tong Radio 1 Takeover set.

Oasis - Unknown 94/95 song(s)
Unheard and disputed - Noel asked Tom and Ed to remix "a Balearic-inspired track" of his in early 1994, but later changed his own mind about it. Years later, Tom and Ed admitted to turning down an opportunity to remix Wonderwall due to their inexperience in 1994. The Chemical Brothers played Oasis' Live Forever in a dj mix in 1995 with a drum loop introducing the studio track, which maybe represented an extremely early attempt at remixing it. Confusingly, this drum-loop intro was bootlegged as a "Chemical Brothers edit" of Live Forever. In summary, The Chemical Brothers once slapped a drum loop on Live Forever and turned down remixing Wonderwall, and probably neither remix exists.

Sabres of Paradise - Tow Truck (early version)
Heard - While the original remix was definitely released, a short early version of it can be heard towards the end of the KDGE Dallas mix in a sort of "beat suite" mixed with parts of Get Up On It Like This and Dynamic II's Give The DJ A Break. It's very likely the remix started as an early Exit Planet Dust track before becoming the Tow Truck remix.

Boyz Noize - Shadowbreaker (Chems Edit)
Heard - Coachella 2009, notable because it features loads of added Chems sounds, many from released songs (The Big Jump, TSU).

The Doves - Kingdom of Rust (Tom Rowlands Remix)
Heard - Played as part of a Chemical Brothers DJ mix and interview broadcast on 6Music on Christmas evening, 2015. Tom was involved with the recording of another The Doves song, 10:03, on the Kingdom of Rust album.

Charles B - Lack Of Love (Lack of Acid / Tom Rowlands Edit)
Heard - An edit dropped in Born in the Echoes-era DJ sets and for a while after, and played somewhat in full during the Chemical Brothers One Mix for Apple Music. The full version apparently leaked on a Soundcloud titled Rowlands Audio Research and seems to be the real deal, though there's always a chance it's an incredibly accurate fan edit.

"Pumisher's Erection Song"
Kinda Heard and disputed - Don't ask about the name. A unidentified old school style track dropped in multiple DJ sets before the release of Born In The Echoes. Uses the same voice as in the NYE Remix of Midnight Madness and has some Chemical qualities to it, but for the most part seems to be a DJ edit of an existing track which we can't ID.


Miscellaneous:

Loops of Fury ft. Joe Satriani
Unheard - on May 11, 1997, Joe Satriani recorded a DAT tape of himself soloing some hott lixx on top of Loops of Fury and sent it, unsolicited, to Tom and Ed in suggestion of a collaboration. It was turned down, but they've kept the tape. Tom says "I think that's one for the Chemical Brothers Anthology box set."

Elektron, Steps, and Wizard
Heard - for unknown reasons, The Chemical Brothers released 3 synth sounds as ringtones. They're low quality but raw. Elektron uses a sound from EBW7, Wizard a sound from EBW9, and Steps a synth similar to the ones used in Scale.

Delta FX, Hey Riff, Bonus Beats Orchestra 94, etc...
Heard - these are synth / drum elements from various released songs that have shown up and been titled like this on DJ sets. I wouldn't really call these "unreleased" songs, but the line between these and tools like EMS Slide and Gimme a Break is pretty blurry so I may as well mention em.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Feb 04, 2018, 18:35
Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 04, 2018, 17:35

So a more formalized of this should be added to the wiki sometime, if we're starting it. Here's a text doc I compiled of unreleased stuff, gonna dump it here instead of sitting on it!
Well that's quite the reply! Thanks WN. Hopefully poeple won't forget about my original track ID question now that we have this meaty post to get our teeth into.

Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 04, 2018, 17:35

. This is Not a Game / Taste of Honey (Third Version)
  [Unheard - A third version of these related tracks was recorded with another artist at one point, according to Tom. We speculate that a full version with Lorde was recorded, with just the "There it is" vocal samples remaining in the officially released version.]

. Radiate (Techno Version)
  [Unheard - A longer dancier version of Radiate exists, according to Tom.]
I must have missed that interview.




Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: WhiteNoise on Feb 04, 2018, 18:45
Quote from: Skyscraper on Feb 04, 2018, 18:35

I must have missed that interview.
Bosco and Geoff can corroborate  ;). This was after North Coast 2015 - another story that needs to be told.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Bosco on Feb 04, 2018, 20:46
It came out in conversation with Tom when I made mention I really enjoyed the new album, particularly 'Radiate'. Where Tom then explained there was an alternate "techno" version of the track. I then asked if this was something we would eventually be able to hear. He quickly said "no".


Also, Whitenoise, excellent fucking work.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Enjoyed on Feb 04, 2018, 21:08
This is an amazing list. Thanks WN.

Hope nobody minds but I moved it here to The Social.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Conn6orsuper117 on Feb 04, 2018, 22:03
Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 04, 2018, 17:35

. Don't Fight Control

. Nina Frequency (Alternate version of Don't Think)

. Get Up On It Like This / Life Is Sweet (Mix 1) / Tow Truck Mash
  [Heard - The first part of the Unreleased BBC Mix 1996, aka the KDGE Dallas mix (it was a mix shipped out to a number of radio stations), ends with an extended Delik-esque jam incorperating early segments of Get Up On It Like This, the sample and beat from Dynamix II's Just Give The DJ A Break (sampled in Life Is Sweet (Mix 1)), and unfinished parts of their remix of Sabres of Paradise, which may have started as an original Chems demo before moving on to be completed as a remix. ]

. Loops of Fury (Unknown Version)
  [Heard - A very different early version of Loops of Fury can be heard in the second part of the KDGE Dallas mix aka Unreleased BBC Mix, after Da Funk.]

. Surface To Air (Guitar Tuned To D)
  [Heard - Great early version that plays a little longer than the original, doesn't feature any vocals, is unmastered and sports a different breakdown section. Released in 2004 ahead of the album on a rare promo CD. ]

Currently have the 1st 2 as MP3s for about 6 months. would love to have links to the other 3 though (If available) :)

Or a DL Link to the KDGE Dallas Mix?

EDIT:
I forgot to mention Hey boy hey girl/music:Response inspired me to make a collab track, Blackmailer, with a public friend ,which will be a sorta tribute to that.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: ThePumisher on Feb 04, 2018, 22:29
Quote from: Enjoyed on Feb 04, 2018, 21:08

Hope nobody minds but I moved it here to The Social.

I DON'T LIKE CHANGE! (but i must admit i don't know where it was before)
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Explud on Feb 05, 2018, 17:11
Quote from: Bosco on Feb 04, 2018, 20:46

I then asked if this was something we would eventually be able to hear. He quickly said "no".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_8M8EI3M1E

P.S. Great work, WN!
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Stefan on Feb 05, 2018, 17:44
Awesome, thanks!

If the unreleased Massive Attack remix made it onto the list, I guess it should also include the fucking brilliant remix of "Kingdom of Rust" by The Doves (included in the 2015 Christmas Mix).
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: WhiteNoise on Feb 05, 2018, 18:01
Quote from: Bosco on Feb 04, 2018, 20:46

I then asked if this was something we would eventually be able to hear. He quickly said "no".
I recall Geoff and I also enthusiastically offering to resolve the "bassline problems" in Problem/Question for him. He had about the same response.

Quote from: Stefan on Feb 05, 2018, 17:44

If the unreleased Massive Attack remix made it onto the list, I guess it should also include the fucking brilliant remix of "Kingdom of Rust" by The Doves (included in the 2015 Christmas Mix).
Forgot that! Adding that in along with the mythical unmixed version of Further.

I've just discovered (throw this in the "did this slip by us" topic) that Tom Rowland arranged The Doves' song 10:03 on the Kingdom of Rust album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCsy21895sc
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Feb 05, 2018, 18:41
Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 05, 2018, 18:01

I recall Geoff and I also enthusiastically offering to resolve the "bassline problems" in Problem/Question for him. He had about the same response.
One day maybe you (and others) will do a full report on all that was discussed on that rare night in Dallas.

Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 05, 2018, 18:01

Forgot that! Adding that in along with the mythical unmixed version of Further.

Is it worth adding in Life of Galileo and Trespass (x2) stuff?
Also there are all those re-edits that have appeared in DJ sets over the years. I guess it would be a real pain to put that list together. Maybe something for a separate thread if anyone is feeling brave enough.

Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 05, 2018, 18:01

I've just discovered (throw this in the "did this slip by us" topic) that Tom Rowland arranged The Doves' song 10:03 on the Kingdom of Rust album:
Good spot. That's a good album actually. Well, I have all Doves' albums (and seen em live four times I think) so I would say that...

*EDIT*
Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 04, 2018, 17:35

Bert in Africa
Unheard - another title dropped by Tom, who knows what this is.
...or where It Began

*EDIT2*
Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 04, 2018, 17:35


Contra
Unheard - a title found alongside Reflexion on a mastering portfolio, title was confirmed by Ed on Twitter and Tom called the track "still a work in progress". Maybe it's CHEMICAL, since it would have been mastered for DJing around that time but was still considered a work in progress and wasn't released until a year after BITE.
Well if we're guessing on tracks we already know, my guess is probably the same as this (https://forum.thechembase.com/index.php/topic,709.msg10593.html#msg10593) from Inchem. The track hasn't changed during the 2017 DJ sets (so it was "in the can" and mastered) and I wonder if it was actually put together around the same time as Nothing But Pleasure. The Lyrics/poetry have a counterculture vibe about them that might suit the name Contra.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: WhiteNoise on Feb 05, 2018, 19:01
Quote from: Skyscraper on Feb 05, 2018, 18:41

Is it worth adding in Life of Galileo and Trespass (x2) stuff?
Absolutely. This is a list I put together in 2015 (before I posted, it still had entries for "Gayvalnize" (Go) and "Gay Disco Horse Power" (Sometimes I Feel So Deserted)) so it hasn't been updated.

Down for listing all the edits, but I think we'll have to draw a line between a DJ edit / mashup and a proper unreleased remix. There's definitely a difference between the Shadowbreaker edit and the Thunder / Losing Control / Mother Earth mashup. We'd have a lot to add and a lot of lines to draw.

Quote from: Skyscraper on Feb 05, 2018, 18:41

One day maybe you (and others) will do a full report on all that was discussed on that rare night in Dallas.
I meant to post a full review of that entire summer, from seeing them on my bday at Sonar to North Coast and afterwards, but I completely overthought my review thanks to all the hype build up for my first live Chems review, and time got away from me pretty much instantly after that point.

Still mean to post it. It'll be good! And it just occurred to me to serialize it into parts, I think that might be easier...
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Bosco on Feb 05, 2018, 19:40
Quote from: Explud on Feb 05, 2018, 17:11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_8M8EI3M1E

This is accurate  :D
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Conn6orsuper117 on Feb 05, 2018, 21:29
what about the early version of It Doesn't Matter, heard at lollipop 96?
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: WhiteNoise on Feb 06, 2018, 00:32
Quote from: Conn6orsuper117 on Feb 05, 2018, 21:29

what about the early version of It Doesn't Matter, heard at lollipop 96?
Not an early version actually, even though it's crazy different. They released It Doesn't Matter as Electronic Battle Weapon 1 a month before that show, Lollipop was late July and EBW1 was June 1st.

The improv between Get Up On It and Electrobank at that show though, that's something weird, might be worth listing. There's also a wild chord progression they played before The Reel in lieu of Got Glint at Open Air Field 2002 which could be something, and a weird drum beat that's featured in a few 2005 shows during Hoops that's never shown up anywhere else, and at a London 2005 show they jammed with it alone for a minute or two. But they're not really fully developed songs.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: UltimatePelmeni on Feb 06, 2018, 17:41
What about Pumisher's Erection Song?
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: WhiteNoise on Feb 06, 2018, 23:51
Quote from: UltimatePelmeni on Feb 06, 2018, 17:41

What about Pumisher's Erection Song?
HA, forgot about that. I did add it, can anyone find a video of it?

This list should be set up with audio samples of each track sometime.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: androidgeoff on Feb 07, 2018, 06:58
Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 04, 2018, 18:45

Bosco and Geoff can corroborate  ;). This was after North Coast 2015 - another story that needs to be told.
yup
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: neorev on Feb 07, 2018, 14:57
Man! Pisses me off to know we were meant to have an unmixed digital download of Further. I want that! Seriously, please Bros, do it. I wanna make my own track order and can't do that as they're currently mixed.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Enjoyed on Feb 07, 2018, 17:54
Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 04, 2018, 17:35

All Rights Reversed (Fight The Drabs Mix) (Broadcast Version)
Unheard and disputed - The Fight The Drabs Mix makes use of a sample or re-creation of the synth line from Kraftwerk's Numbers, and based on comments made around the time of the show, it's possible the version broadcast on Collin Murray's show featured more liberal sampling from it. No known recordings exist.

Just to be clear with this one - we're talking about a version that's different to the 'In The Company of The Chemical Brothers' one?
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: WhiteNoise on Feb 07, 2018, 18:05
Quote from: Enjoyed on Feb 07, 2018, 17:54

Just to be clear with this one - we're talking about a version that's different to the 'In The Company of The Chemical Brothers' one?
That would actually be it - there's the officially released Fight The Drabs mix and the possibly different version as broadcast on Colin Murray In The Company of The Chemical Brothers. I have no idea if they're different from each other, since I've just read rumors that they literally sampled Numbers in the broadcast version, and they definitely didn't in the officially released version.

Do you have a recording of the broadcast?
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Enjoyed on Feb 07, 2018, 18:44
PM'd ya.

It's only a 128kbps recording though I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Joslyn on Feb 09, 2018, 15:48
Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 04, 2018, 17:35


Problem/Question (aka The Animal Track)
Heard - Played live in 2005, updated version played in a few 2006 DJ sets, and pressed on a rare few records, one of which was obtained by Fake Blood who put a few seconds of it on a minimix in 2009.


So I know for a fact Justin Robertson has a copy in his record bag. He played NYE 06/07 at Turnmills. Still to this day a great piece of Chemical music I've heard and really annoyed that it hasn't been released.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Feb 09, 2018, 20:10
Quote from: UltimatePelmeni on Feb 06, 2018, 17:41

What about Pumisher's Erection Song?
Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 06, 2018, 23:51

HA, forgot about that. I did add it, can anyone find a video of it?

This list should be set up with audio samples of each track sometime.
I just delved into the archive where I found the New Comprehensive List (http://etc.thechembase.com/public/chemicalbrothersforum/forum.thechemicalbrothers.com/indexd970.html?/topic/9632-new-comprehensive-list/) started in 2013. It's funny to see some of the old speculation we got right and some that we didn't. Some of my comments in the latter pages look positively naive.
Anyway some of the links still work, some don't. But all three Erection Song (aka Need Your Soul) clips still work.

The more I listen to the track the more I think: old 80's electro tune, so i guess I'm agreeing with WN. I actually had a quick look through the Street Sounds Electro (https://www.discogs.com/label/785831-Street-Sounds-Electro) compilations to see if any track titles might fit with "Need Your Soul". I also had a very quick listen to the first three (embedded) albums but nothing jumped out at me. Other tracks that appear on these compilations have made it into Chems DJ sets in the past, such as: Rockmaster Scott's "The Roof Is On Fire", and Freestyle's "Don't Stop The Rock". So maybe it's in there, or maybe not.

Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: ThePumisher on Feb 10, 2018, 01:23
maybe one day they release that song - and name it "pumishers erection song".
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: whirlygirl on Feb 10, 2018, 15:51
Holy shit, WN! That was amazing. <3

Pumisher's Erection Song, teehee  :D
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: inchemwetrust on Feb 12, 2018, 01:55
@WN

Dopeness on a Pill
Just Dust
Just Say Yo

may i ask where you got these sources? im very intrigued at this yet excited that there's tracks that never made it.

about the trespass movie,imo i feel that Tom just did 'filler' music. i saw the film and didnt notice anything stand out music-wise in the film. i think he just composed bg music to create a sense of drama,action,tension to lift and improve the scenes of the movie. nothing else and nothing close to chemically related.

EDIT

btw, love what you done to the unreleased chems list! well done!

btw2 im considering opening a twit acct just to ask joe satriani about that loops of fury track.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: WhiteNoise on Feb 12, 2018, 04:05
Quote from: inchemwetrust on Feb 12, 2018, 01:55

@WN

Dopeness on a Pill
Just Dust
Just Say Yo

may i ask where you got these sources? im very intrigued at this yet excited that there's tracks that never made it.

From one of my favorite interviews, I think it's the earliest, in the Oct 94 issue of Jockey Slut, which was midway through the writing of the album and has loads of descriptions of early mixes and in progress prototype album details, even an early concept for the album art. Here it is in the spoiler tags for compression:

Spoiler

Jockey Slut interview

by John Burgess
October 1994 Issue 9


The Dust Brothers have been the talk of the town this year churning out
a wad of down tempo acid house records with big boots on and causing
riots wherever they DJ. John Burgess joins them at the Heavenly Sunday
Social before heading off to the studio to check tracks on the
forthcoming album.

Ed - "I think it's a bit ironic what we do."

Tom - "I don't think it's at all ironic."

James Dean Bradfield, Tim Burgess, Saint Etienne, Evan Dando, Liam and
Noel Gallagher, Bobby Gillespie and Paul Weller. Just a few of the names
spotted with a pint and a pie at the Heavenly Sunday Social, home to a
couple of hundred twenty somethings who have rediscovered the benefits
of lager, amyl nose-up and the buzz for aggro dancing, whooping and
hollering as their weekly hosts, Tom Rowlands and Ed Simmons, mix up
that heady brew that has been termed Trip hop' but is probably more
accurately described as Dust Brothers-esque.

If Oasis are the best thing to happen to rock 'n' roll in many a year,
the Dust Brothers are flying a flag with viva Acid House scrawled on it
in very large letters. Early 1994 was looking grim: twenty minute trance
tracks and deadly serious prose in the press, insipid pop handbag and
DJs, once heroes, immersing themselves in an industry that finds worth
in repackaged re-released triple pack crap, which is why 'Chemical
Beats' was the biggest shot in the arm for the tired, jaded and ripped
off. It was raw, it was tuff and it didn't fit in in anyones t o o l,
sand or hand bag. Suddenly '94 looked pretty cool.

Tom - "We thought Chemical Beats was just an amazing tune and when we
got the test pressings of it and gave it to these people they just
didn't play it. Ed - "Then Darren Emerson, Andy Weatherall and Justin
Robertson starting playing it and everyone starting going mad over it.",

Tom - "That has gone down as a good record. A good end of night tune.
Good any time of the night tune. You can't follow it. What do you play
after that eh?"

Ed - "Manic Street Preachers."

The Dust Brothers formed in a dark pub cellar sometime in 1992,
someplace in Manchester. Tom and Ed had always teetered on the cutting
edge of good music be it the Mary Chain, Schooly D, the Jamms, joining
the queue for the house fest at Nude or stage diving at Most Excellent.
They became the Dust Brothers by night DJing for fun rather than
financial gain. Naked Under Leather was the name of their club
attracting a hundred like minded souls to crappy 'venues' either above
or below pubs, claustrophobic and smokey with a strobe flickering for so
long that epilectics got bored of having fits and joined in the fun.
Special Brew was the narcotic as the Naked punters rejected the cities
abused drug culture and took to drinking with great verve before pogoing
to the sounds the would form a blueprint for Tom and Ed's studio work,
what they mix up on the decks is the spirit they capture on vinyl:
shouty hip hop with ruff arsed baselines the hooligan house sounds of
'baggy' and noisey down-tempo acid house records. And now they're making
an album.

Tom - "Making an album's a bit of a weird thing. More tracks.... Making
a dance album people actually want to listen to is difficult."

Ed - "With dance albums you usually pick off a couple of tracks you like
and that's it."

Tom - "Do not let our album gather dust."

Crammed in Orinocho Studios in the Elephant and Castle, Tom and Ed are
on Day Three of a fortnights work on their debut. Titles flying around
at the time include 'Dopeness on a Pill', 'In Dust We Trust', 'Just
Dust' and 'Just Say Yo!'. On the floor are a pile of records that
include Mudhoney, Jungle Brothers, Three Johns, Mercury Rev, Sonic
Youth, Pavement, Sabres of Paradise. On the wall is a progress chart for
the albums ten tracks. From left to right it has the following columns:
'Working Title/ Drums/ Bass/ Anything Else?' - the essential ingredients
for a Dust Brothers record. In the Drums column for a track called
'Jabba' is the criticism 'a bit polite on the hi hats' but the bass is
apparently 'pill friendly'. On the track 'Delik' Tim Burgess from the
Charlatans is pencilled in as a possible vocalist. Rubber Lips
apparently digs the Dusters and the feeling is mutual. The album is jam-
packed with samples, lots of guitar riffs thieved from indie albums
though hidden with much studio trickery to avoid the pay off. "I don't
think you should take people's main hooks or main ideas from their songs
but I like the idea you can have all these people jamming on your
record," Tom says of the art. Their engineer Dubby selects 'Jabba' for
an aural airing, I write down 'acid hip hop, machine gun drums, guitar
breakdowns, tub thumping finale, more aggressive than S*M*A*S*H, music
for the jilted generation who still take X.' Bit polite on the hats
though...

Ed - "Chemical Beats is described as trip hop, but to me it's a techno
record in the mould of any techno record but it's got a chunky break on
it."

Tom - "It's an acid house record."

The next track we hear is 'Delik' ("As in psychedelic," Tom informs).
Amidst the space noises is that ancient word 'Jackie' repeated over. It
stops, it starts, it screams and it includes a middle eight of sheer
weirdness. There is, a lot more going on in the mix than on their
previous EPs. The only other tracks we hear today is Briefcase Boogie.
It is about two minutes long and features samples thieved from last
nights telly.

Tom - "I like things that are noisy."

The album is sounding very Dust Brothers-esque. It will delight those
that bought the EPs 'Fourteenth Century Sky' and 'My Mercury Mouth' but
will probably not silence their critics, those that think that all you
have to do to make a Dust Brothers record is pour some acid over a hip
hop beat, those that think all their records and remixes sound the
same, those that seem to have forgotten about the blissful 'One Too Many
Mornings' or 'If You Kling To Me I'll Klong You'. It is an accusation
that riles them. "That's our style," Tom argues. " If you listen to our
Prodigy mix and our Primal Scream mix and say they are the same then
you're deaf. I like them. You should see how many we've turned down.
They say we've done too many remixes but I think they've all been really
good." "K-Klass have done about seventeen," Ed points out. They've
turned down Deelite, Fatima Mansions, Echobelly, Massive Attack and
Consolidated. Why do Consolidated want you to remix them?

"I don't know?" shrugs Tom. "It's cool. Because we've got a bit of
attitude on our records"

"More than K-Klass," adds Ed.

It's probably to do with the fact that being music fans Tom and Ed have
taken up remixes for the Scream, Charlatans and the Manics. They like
pop music, it's not some ironic gesture. It's also something they have
been criticised for, for not being part of the clique that think Rock n
Roll is dead because techno reigns supreme. The Dust Brothers are part
of the open minded school of thought that actually believe in that often
quoted phrase from 'Come Together': "Music is Music..." It is this
widespread appeal and eclectic audience that could make the Dust
Brothers very famous indeed. People who like Richie Hawtin like the Dust
Brothers. People who don't like Richie Hawtin like the Dust Brothers.
When I ask Ed what will happen when they get really famous he shrugs "We
won't". Then he tells me this:

"We were the answers to a competition on Radio One. It was on the Evening
Session. There was a competition to win a ticket to a Big Rave and the
question was 'Who are Tom Rowlands and Ed Simons' and some girl in
Sunderland got it right and won."

"Big respect to her," says Tom.

They also went to the States back in July to Orlando. Thinking they were
just the promoters little whim they were surprised at how many yanks
knew 'Chemical Beats'. "We played live to 4,000 people. We had a rave,"
says Ed. Tony Di Bart and Hyper Go Go had played at gigs before them so
it is no surprise that the Dusters were mobbed for autographs. The real
mckoy.

Tom and Ed are two kids from the right side of town coming on like
they're from the wrong. Fans of their scary brash noise probably
expected them to look like a couple of skate kids, tattooed and scarred
from hanging 'round the chippy late at night In reality they are more
likely to go round to Saint Etiennes house for a cup of Earl Grey and a
bun. This is their appeal. Like Wiggs, Stanley and Cracknell the Dust
Brothers are more pop than anything else. The album will be a musical
collision of all the best moments they've absorbed over their
adolescence: 'Postcard Pop', 'Psychocandy', 'Yo Bum Rush the Show',
'Rhythim is Rhythim', 'Check Yer Head' packaged under a top pop title
like 'Dopeness on a Pill' with a carefully thought out sleeve that
combines their fascination with the urban and their middle class
backgrounds. They could shape up into the British Beastie Boys if
they'll let themselves. And if they could rap.

They've already got that Rather Be Somewhere Else/Bizarre In Humour
interview technique down pat. They have a trainspottery secret language.
"Doing a Dave Angel" was Ed throwing up from nervousness before going on
stage. "Doing a Moby" was Ed going mad behind his keyboard. And Tom
occasionally drops into a mock street patois. "Summat Tasty" seems a
favourite term. "Super cooper trooper," another.

Tom - "The album sleeve is of a nice girl in a field. With Dust Brothers
spray painted on her."

Ed - "Nice girl with scrawling on her."

Tom - "A mix of the urban and the Rose Cottage. It's important when you
buy a record, that it's a good thing to own."

Though the Dust Brothers have been lumped with the media-hype 'Trip Hop'
alongside some of the Mowaxers and the Strange Brew crew, they stand out
because of their sense of fun. They are charismatic and people notice,
especially when DJing they might drop a Happy Mondays record ahead of a
scorching Schooly D track. Wherever they have DJed recently they turn
what could be quite a scary, abrasive, noisey set into an air punchin'
party. It's usually their own records that do the trick, that leave
punters gob smacked, convince the old 'uns to go out clubbing again,
that have Melody Maker going a bit over the top and comparing the Sunday
Social to Shoom.

Ed - "We're young, we're friends we have a bit of a laugh. I think
people have tapped into that."

Tom - "What I think about our music is that it has a human element, it's
quite emotional but not in a Detroit emotional way, it's got more
sweatiness, more clubbiness."

Someone said you sound like you could do with another day in the studio.
And that's the point.

"Yeah. Things are quite messy, quite raw," Tom concludes. "I like things
that sound a bit wrong."

The Dust Brothers - sounding wrong, getting it so right.


The Remixes:

Lion Rock - Packet of Peace (Deconstruction)
Scary wailing wifey {as used on Song to the Siren) returns to add some
scary wailing during the breakdowns. A robot shouts "Lion Rock Sound
System!". The bass and the weird shit factor are both cranked up high.
The laidback MC Buzz B is forced at knife point to join in at the end.

Ariel - T Baby (unreleased Deconstruction)
Tom's old balearic band gets the Brothers overhaul with some live stop/
start bass-playing from Thomas. You can hear his fingers scraping along
the bass strings. Cool. Jon Pleased Wimmin used to play this.

Swordfish - The Get On (Pandephonium)

Leftfield/ Lydon - Open Up (Hard hands)
Bettered Weatherall's mix and overshadowed the original. Snatches of Mr
Rotten, big beat breakdowns and guitar powerchords. In a scary minor
key.

The Sandals - Feet (Open Toe)

Primal Scream - Jailbird (Creation)
As played by The Scream at Reading (from DAT). A bassline gets pissed
and gets a tattoo with 'sleaze' etched on its arm. Bobby G is cut down
to a few 'Damn Rights!!' before some motor car horn shrieks in. Some
Hammond organ joins the shouty bit giving it a more uplifting, less
scary, rather partyish arms aloft vibe.

Deep Throat - Mouth Organ

Republica - Out of this World (Deconstruction)

Saint Etienne - Like A Motorway (Heavenly)
The winsome Ms Cracknell drinks Tom and Ed under the table insisting her
full vocal is kept in the the mix. Pete Wiggs snorts amyl whilst Bob
Stanley watches from side stage as the Brothers do their stuff.
Allegations of Dust Brothers mixes all sounding the same start to drib
in from stupid people.

Justin Warfield - Pick It Up Y'All (Warner Bros)
Who Co-Conspired? Asks Justin. "It's the Dust Brothers!' replies robot
man from the Packet of Peace mix. A slow, low, funky ace-bassline driven
record. People fight to get a copy. That's an instruction.

Charlatans - Patrol (Dead Dead Good)

Bomb the Bass - Bug Powder Dust (Island)

Prodigy - Voodoo People (XL)

Manic Street Preachers - La Tristesse Durera (Columbia)

I'll try to make my archive of interviews available online somewhere if someone asks!


Quote from: Joslyn on Feb 09, 2018, 15:48

So I know for a fact Justin Robertson has a copy in his record bag. He played NYE 06/07 at Turnmills. Still to this day a great piece of Chemical music I've heard and really annoyed that it hasn't been released.
I'll add that bit of info.


Quote from: inchemwetrust on Feb 12, 2018, 01:55

btw2 im considering opening a twit acct just to ask joe satriani about that loops of fury track.
Do it


Quote from: Enjoyed on Feb 07, 2018, 18:44

PM'd ya.

It's only a 128kbps recording though I'm afraid.
Thanks mate! Didn't turn out to be a different version, the homages to Numbers were the same as on record. I'm gonna remove it from the list.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Feb 12, 2018, 20:36
Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 12, 2018, 04:05

From one of my favorite interviews, I think it's the earliest, in the Oct 94 issue of Jockey Slut, ...

Spoiler

Jockey Slut interview

by John Burgess
October 1994 Issue 9


The Dust Brothers have been the talk of the town this year churning out
a wad of down tempo acid house records with big boots on and causing
riots wherever they DJ. John Burgess joins them at the Heavenly Sunday
Social before heading off to the studio to check tracks on the
forthcoming album.

Ed - "I think it's a bit ironic what we do."

Tom - "I don't think it's at all ironic."

James Dean Bradfield, Tim Burgess, Saint Etienne, Evan Dando, Liam and
Noel Gallagher, Bobby Gillespie and Paul Weller. Just a few of the names
spotted with a pint and a pie at the Heavenly Sunday Social, home to a
couple of hundred twenty somethings who have rediscovered the benefits
of lager, amyl nose-up and the buzz for aggro dancing, whooping and
hollering as their weekly hosts, Tom Rowlands and Ed Simmons, mix up
that heady brew that has been termed Trip hop' but is probably more
accurately described as Dust Brothers-esque.

If Oasis are the best thing to happen to rock 'n' roll in many a year,
the Dust Brothers are flying a flag with viva Acid House scrawled on it
in very large letters. Early 1994 was looking grim: twenty minute trance
tracks and deadly serious prose in the press, insipid pop handbag and
DJs, once heroes, immersing themselves in an industry that finds worth
in repackaged re-released triple pack crap, which is why 'Chemical
Beats' was the biggest shot in the arm for the tired, jaded and ripped
off. It was raw, it was tuff and it didn't fit in in anyones t o o l,
sand or hand bag. Suddenly '94 looked pretty cool.

Tom - "We thought Chemical Beats was just an amazing tune and when we
got the test pressings of it and gave it to these people they just
didn't play it. Ed - "Then Darren Emerson, Andy Weatherall and Justin
Robertson starting playing it and everyone starting going mad over it.",

Tom - "That has gone down as a good record. A good end of night tune.
Good any time of the night tune. You can't follow it. What do you play
after that eh?"

Ed - "Manic Street Preachers."

The Dust Brothers formed in a dark pub cellar sometime in 1992,
someplace in Manchester. Tom and Ed had always teetered on the cutting
edge of good music be it the Mary Chain, Schooly D, the Jamms, joining
the queue for the house fest at Nude or stage diving at Most Excellent.
They became the Dust Brothers by night DJing for fun rather than
financial gain. Naked Under Leather was the name of their club
attracting a hundred like minded souls to crappy 'venues' either above
or below pubs, claustrophobic and smokey with a strobe flickering for so
long that epilectics got bored of having fits and joined in the fun.
Special Brew was the narcotic as the Naked punters rejected the cities
abused drug culture and took to drinking with great verve before pogoing
to the sounds the would form a blueprint for Tom and Ed's studio work,
what they mix up on the decks is the spirit they capture on vinyl:
shouty hip hop with ruff arsed baselines the hooligan house sounds of
'baggy' and noisey down-tempo acid house records. And now they're making
an album.

Tom - "Making an album's a bit of a weird thing. More tracks.... Making
a dance album people actually want to listen to is difficult."

Ed - "With dance albums you usually pick off a couple of tracks you like
and that's it."

Tom - "Do not let our album gather dust."

Crammed in Orinocho Studios in the Elephant and Castle, Tom and Ed are
on Day Three of a fortnights work on their debut. Titles flying around
at the time include 'Dopeness on a Pill', 'In Dust We Trust', 'Just
Dust' and 'Just Say Yo!'. On the floor are a pile of records that
include Mudhoney, Jungle Brothers, Three Johns, Mercury Rev, Sonic
Youth, Pavement, Sabres of Paradise. On the wall is a progress chart for
the albums ten tracks. From left to right it has the following columns:
'Working Title/ Drums/ Bass/ Anything Else?' - the essential ingredients
for a Dust Brothers record. In the Drums column for a track called
'Jabba' is the criticism 'a bit polite on the hi hats' but the bass is
apparently 'pill friendly'. On the track 'Delik' Tim Burgess from the
Charlatans is pencilled in as a possible vocalist. Rubber Lips
apparently digs the Dusters and the feeling is mutual. The album is jam-
packed with samples, lots of guitar riffs thieved from indie albums
though hidden with much studio trickery to avoid the pay off. "I don't
think you should take people's main hooks or main ideas from their songs
but I like the idea you can have all these people jamming on your
record," Tom says of the art. Their engineer Dubby selects 'Jabba' for
an aural airing, I write down 'acid hip hop, machine gun drums, guitar
breakdowns, tub thumping finale, more aggressive than S*M*A*S*H, music
for the jilted generation who still take X.' Bit polite on the hats
though...

Ed - "Chemical Beats is described as trip hop, but to me it's a techno
record in the mould of any techno record but it's got a chunky break on
it."

Tom - "It's an acid house record."

The next track we hear is 'Delik' ("As in psychedelic," Tom informs).
Amidst the space noises is that ancient word 'Jackie' repeated over. It
stops, it starts, it screams and it includes a middle eight of sheer
weirdness. There is, a lot more going on in the mix than on their
previous EPs. The only other tracks we hear today is Briefcase Boogie.
It is about two minutes long and features samples thieved from last
nights telly.

Tom - "I like things that are noisy."

The album is sounding very Dust Brothers-esque. It will delight those
that bought the EPs 'Fourteenth Century Sky' and 'My Mercury Mouth' but
will probably not silence their critics, those that think that all you
have to do to make a Dust Brothers record is pour some acid over a hip
hop beat, those that think all their records and remixes sound the
same, those that seem to have forgotten about the blissful 'One Too Many
Mornings' or 'If You Kling To Me I'll Klong You'. It is an accusation
that riles them. "That's our style," Tom argues. " If you listen to our
Prodigy mix and our Primal Scream mix and say they are the same then
you're deaf. I like them. You should see how many we've turned down.
They say we've done too many remixes but I think they've all been really
good." "K-Klass have done about seventeen," Ed points out. They've
turned down Deelite, Fatima Mansions, Echobelly, Massive Attack and
Consolidated. Why do Consolidated want you to remix them?

"I don't know?" shrugs Tom. "It's cool. Because we've got a bit of
attitude on our records"

"More than K-Klass," adds Ed.

It's probably to do with the fact that being music fans Tom and Ed have
taken up remixes for the Scream, Charlatans and the Manics. They like
pop music, it's not some ironic gesture. It's also something they have
been criticised for, for not being part of the clique that think Rock n
Roll is dead because techno reigns supreme. The Dust Brothers are part
of the open minded school of thought that actually believe in that often
quoted phrase from 'Come Together': "Music is Music..." It is this
widespread appeal and eclectic audience that could make the Dust
Brothers very famous indeed. People who like Richie Hawtin like the Dust
Brothers. People who don't like Richie Hawtin like the Dust Brothers.
When I ask Ed what will happen when they get really famous he shrugs "We
won't". Then he tells me this:

"We were the answers to a competition on Radio One. It was on the Evening
Session. There was a competition to win a ticket to a Big Rave and the
question was 'Who are Tom Rowlands and Ed Simons' and some girl in
Sunderland got it right and won."

"Big respect to her," says Tom.

They also went to the States back in July to Orlando. Thinking they were
just the promoters little whim they were surprised at how many yanks
knew 'Chemical Beats'. "We played live to 4,000 people. We had a rave,"
says Ed. Tony Di Bart and Hyper Go Go had played at gigs before them so
it is no surprise that the Dusters were mobbed for autographs. The real
mckoy.

Tom and Ed are two kids from the right side of town coming on like
they're from the wrong. Fans of their scary brash noise probably
expected them to look like a couple of skate kids, tattooed and scarred
from hanging 'round the chippy late at night In reality they are more
likely to go round to Saint Etiennes house for a cup of Earl Grey and a
bun. This is their appeal. Like Wiggs, Stanley and Cracknell the Dust
Brothers are more pop than anything else. The album will be a musical
collision of all the best moments they've absorbed over their
adolescence: 'Postcard Pop', 'Psychocandy', 'Yo Bum Rush the Show',
'Rhythim is Rhythim', 'Check Yer Head' packaged under a top pop title
like 'Dopeness on a Pill' with a carefully thought out sleeve that
combines their fascination with the urban and their middle class
backgrounds. They could shape up into the British Beastie Boys if
they'll let themselves. And if they could rap.

They've already got that Rather Be Somewhere Else/Bizarre In Humour
interview technique down pat. They have a trainspottery secret language.
"Doing a Dave Angel" was Ed throwing up from nervousness before going on
stage. "Doing a Moby" was Ed going mad behind his keyboard. And Tom
occasionally drops into a mock street patois. "Summat Tasty" seems a
favourite term. "Super cooper trooper," another.

Tom - "The album sleeve is of a nice girl in a field. With Dust Brothers
spray painted on her."

Ed - "Nice girl with scrawling on her."

Tom - "A mix of the urban and the Rose Cottage. It's important when you
buy a record, that it's a good thing to own."

Though the Dust Brothers have been lumped with the media-hype 'Trip Hop'
alongside some of the Mowaxers and the Strange Brew crew, they stand out
because of their sense of fun. They are charismatic and people notice,
especially when DJing they might drop a Happy Mondays record ahead of a
scorching Schooly D track. Wherever they have DJed recently they turn
what could be quite a scary, abrasive, noisey set into an air punchin'
party. It's usually their own records that do the trick, that leave
punters gob smacked, convince the old 'uns to go out clubbing again,
that have Melody Maker going a bit over the top and comparing the Sunday
Social to Shoom.

Ed - "We're young, we're friends we have a bit of a laugh. I think
people have tapped into that."

Tom - "What I think about our music is that it has a human element, it's
quite emotional but not in a Detroit emotional way, it's got more
sweatiness, more clubbiness."

Someone said you sound like you could do with another day in the studio.
And that's the point.

"Yeah. Things are quite messy, quite raw," Tom concludes. "I like things
that sound a bit wrong."

The Dust Brothers - sounding wrong, getting it so right.


The Remixes:

Lion Rock - Packet of Peace (Deconstruction)
Scary wailing wifey {as used on Song to the Siren) returns to add some
scary wailing during the breakdowns. A robot shouts "Lion Rock Sound
System!". The bass and the weird shit factor are both cranked up high.
The laidback MC Buzz B is forced at knife point to join in at the end.

Ariel - T Baby (unreleased Deconstruction)
Tom's old balearic band gets the Brothers overhaul with some live stop/
start bass-playing from Thomas. You can hear his fingers scraping along
the bass strings. Cool. Jon Pleased Wimmin used to play this.

Swordfish - The Get On (Pandephonium)

Leftfield/ Lydon - Open Up (Hard hands)
Bettered Weatherall's mix and overshadowed the original. Snatches of Mr
Rotten, big beat breakdowns and guitar powerchords. In a scary minor
key.

The Sandals - Feet (Open Toe)

Primal Scream - Jailbird (Creation)
As played by The Scream at Reading (from DAT). A bassline gets pissed
and gets a tattoo with 'sleaze' etched on its arm. Bobby G is cut down
to a few 'Damn Rights!!' before some motor car horn shrieks in. Some
Hammond organ joins the shouty bit giving it a more uplifting, less
scary, rather partyish arms aloft vibe.

Deep Throat - Mouth Organ

Republica - Out of this World (Deconstruction)

Saint Etienne - Like A Motorway (Heavenly)
The winsome Ms Cracknell drinks Tom and Ed under the table insisting her
full vocal is kept in the the mix. Pete Wiggs snorts amyl whilst Bob
Stanley watches from side stage as the Brothers do their stuff.
Allegations of Dust Brothers mixes all sounding the same start to drib
in from stupid people.

Justin Warfield - Pick It Up Y'All (Warner Bros)
Who Co-Conspired? Asks Justin. "It's the Dust Brothers!' replies robot
man from the Packet of Peace mix. A slow, low, funky ace-bassline driven
record. People fight to get a copy. That's an instruction.

Charlatans - Patrol (Dead Dead Good)

Bomb the Bass - Bug Powder Dust (Island)

Prodigy - Voodoo People (XL)

Manic Street Preachers - La Tristesse Durera (Columbia)

So do we know what track "Jabba" became?
I'm assuming "Briefcase Boogie" never made it on to the album, but the description "It is about two minutes long and features samples thieved from last nights telly", reinforces my thoughts on the "when you start hating you're out of control" sample. It's probably just something they sampled off the TV, so the chances of ID-ing that sample are, I imagine, pretty slim.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: WhiteNoise on Feb 12, 2018, 21:59
Quote from: Skyscraper on Feb 12, 2018, 20:36

So do we know what track "Jabba" became?
Three Little Birdies Down Beats judging by the "machine gun drums" description. Sneakerbeater confirmed Jabba = TLBDB in an old post, I bet his knowledge comes from this source and same conclusion, but maybe he has another way of knowing.

Must a really early version since when did Three Little Birdies have guitar breakdowns in it?

Quote from: Skyscraper on Feb 12, 2018, 20:36

I'm assuming "Briefcase Boogie" never made it on to the album, but the description "It is about two minutes long and features samples thieved from last nights telly", reinforces my thoughts on the "when you start hating you're out of control" sample. It's probably just something they sampled off the TV, so the chances of ID-ing that sample are, I imagine, pretty slim.
Briefcase Boogie = Playground for a Wedgeless Firm.

In another interview one of them confirms the samples in Playground were taken from the television, and the briefcase name comes from a piece of gear (someone help me with the name) they used to process said samples, it's a synth that folds up into a briefcase-like thing with a handle they ran a live TV audio feed through.

Also, 2 minutes.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Joslyn on Feb 17, 2018, 11:20
cool '94 interview but...

Quote
Crammed in Orinocho Studios in the Elephant and Castle, Tom and Ed are
on Day Three of a fortnights work on their debut. Titles flying around
at the time include 'Dopeness on a Pill', 'In Dust We Trust', 'Just
Dust' and 'Just Say Yo!'

this could also be read as possible titles for their debut.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: androidgeoff on Feb 18, 2018, 22:15
Exit Planet Dust, what with how stuff like The Matrix came out a few years after, was definitely the right choice of name for the album. Sort of that post-society thinking
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: graysquire on Feb 21, 2018, 20:44
Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 04, 2018, 17:35

Hold Tight London (Mix 2)
Unheard and disputed - Sneakerbeater listed a Mix 2 of Hold Tight London in his bonus disc wishlist for a third greatest hits collection. The rest of his listed tracks are confirmed to exist, and Sneakerbeater might know something we don't as he usually does, but it might just be wishful thinking based on the live version.

Great list WN!

I'd love a version of this similar to that from Trafalgar Square. Blew me away on the night, and listen to it regularly...
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: WhiteNoise on Apr 13, 2018, 02:52
I've updated as I just realized I forgot a huge one - the early version of It Began In Afrika with the Pioneer Skies drums, that they used to DJ with in 2001-2003. There's an audience recording of a set from that era where they played it out there, I think it's their Centro-Fly set.

Stay tuned, as there's a reason I've just remembered this...
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Csar on Apr 13, 2018, 09:52
It's funny, I now realize they didn't use the IBIA vocal sample in that centro-fly set as they did in the Asagiri set which they played a month earlier that year.

As for unreleased chemicals, I've got a short tv commercial sound bite which I downloaded like 15 years ago and which was "advertised" as VW Jetta Chemical Brothers. Can anybody verify if they ever did such a thing?
Here's the mp3( attachments don't semm to work for me with these type of files...).

https://www.sendspace.com/file/tlqblk
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: ThePumisher on Apr 13, 2018, 11:04
Quote from: Csar on Apr 13, 2018, 09:52

Can anybody verify if they ever did such a thing?

Hmmm, doesn't sound Chemical enough for me, more like a stripped down or well produced demo version of an Kid Loco track or something. But then again they've suprised me now and than with tracks i'm not prepared for (Taste Of Honey anyone?)



edit:

Quote from: WhiteNoise on Apr 13, 2018, 02:52

Stay tuned, as there's a reason I've just remembered this...

I stayed tuned for more happy days, but i cannot resist any longer - give us that goddamn shit now!
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: WhiteNoise on Apr 13, 2018, 17:34
Quote from: ThePumisher on Apr 13, 2018, 11:04

I stayed tuned for more happy days, but i cannot resist any longer - give us that goddamn shit now!
When and if I can - I'm staying tuned too.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: sneakerbeater on Apr 14, 2018, 09:15
Quote from: WhiteNoise on Apr 13, 2018, 02:52

Stay tuned, as there's a reason I've just remembered this...

I know what you are referring to as I saw that a couple of months back!

I doubt you'll ever see a fully release version of this version of Afrika as it is essential 4 songs mashed together. The only way I could ever envisage it being released would be on a brother gonna work it out vol 2 but I can't see that happening unfortunately.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Csar on Apr 15, 2018, 10:36
Quote from: ThePumisher on Apr 13, 2018, 11:04

Hmmm, doesn't sound Chemical enough for me, more like a stripped down or well produced demo version of an Kid Loco track or something. But then again they've suprised me now and than with tracks i'm not prepared for (Taste Of Honey anyone?)
It reminded me a bit of The Get On remix in some way.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: ThePumisher on May 23, 2018, 09:50
Are they somehow involved in the Deadly Class soundtrack? The official Brothers Instagram account liked a short making of from the series... (I like rumours  ;))
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: WhiteNoise on Jun 02, 2018, 20:34
Quote from: ThePumisher on Apr 13, 2018, 11:04

I stayed tuned for more happy days, but i cannot resist any longer - give us that goddamn shit now!

Quote from: Sneaker on Apr 14, 2018, 09:15

I know what you are referring to as I saw that a couple of months back!

I doubt you'll ever see a fully release version of this version of Afrika as it is essential 4 songs mashed together. The only way I could ever envisage it being released would be on a brother gonna work it out vol 2 but I can't see that happening unfortunately.
You're right. So what we're referring to is this neat thing:

https://www.discogs.com/Chemical-Brothers-Africa-Reggae-For-Real/release/11539113

Galaxy Bounce = formerly "Reggae for Real"! Weird name!

And that Africa track on this promo CD is an early version of IBIA - but it's not that early version. It's about 95% of the way to the finally released EBW version, with a few interesting differences in structure, and some synths that didn't make the cut, deep in the mix.

PM me your email (no, I don't remember everyone's), for... things...
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Csar on Jun 03, 2018, 09:31
Quote from: WhiteNoise on Jun 02, 2018, 20:34

You're right. So what we're referring to is this neat thing:

https://www.discogs.com/Chemical-Brothers-Africa-Reggae-For-Real/release/11539113

Galaxy Bounce = formerly "Reggae for Real"! Weird name!
Fo real, ya? Must have been some kind of code word like in those top secret intel missions because there's nothing there that is remotely Reggae-ish. Funny, though :D
Funny as well is the fact that a 8:53 min track is labeled "edited"  ;D Btw, is that a few seconds longer EBW5 version?
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Enjoyed on Jun 20, 2018, 23:47
This demo version freakin' slaps so hard. I love it.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Enjoyed on Apr 10, 2019, 19:16
So, I was perusing the PRS database for info about the new album, and I'm not sure whether my search terms were different this time round, but I noticed a few things I hadn't seen before.

I need to delve back into it and edit this into a full list, but, the main one that struck me was actually 3 separate entries for a track called 'Makin A Livin' (one entry was under "Makin' A Living")

Any thoughts on what this might be? It's registered to both of them, with 'work creation dates' of: 19 Jan 2007, 14 Aug 2003, and 08 Nov 1999 for the different entries.

Another thing I found was 100% confirmation that EBW9 is called 'The Wizard Rush':
(https://i.imgur.com/Hegszfb.png)

Will have another look back through later today and update this.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: inchemwetrust on Apr 10, 2019, 19:48
I assume work creation dates are studio dates.

I also assume the track got started in 99 and either got uncompleted or completed in 2007.

WATN was released in 07

Maybe a track called Makin a living?

Spider senses tingling..

Hmm..I wonder if chems were trying to sample 'making a livin'! It's sampled somewhat in classic hip-hop frequently

You can heard these words in the first 10 sec and throughout the song.

https://youtu.be/n6EIxvjkdMM

Wild guess

Edit: also a track with the same name is on chems BGWIO mix. It's by Kenny Gonzales ( with the same sample on the track as well)

https://youtu.be/1FRJ_TsCWIo
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: WhiteNoise on Apr 10, 2019, 20:09
Quote from: inchemwetrust on Apr 10, 2019, 19:48
Edit: also a track with the same name is on chems BGWIO mix. It's by Kenny Gonzales ( with the same sample on the track as well)
^ this - some of the weird entries in the database are just strangely tagged tracks from Brothers Gonna Work It Out
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Enjoyed on Apr 10, 2019, 21:17
Yeah, think WN is right there, as you'll no doubt see in the rest of this list I just put together.

I think the durations are just a placeholder, so probably best to disregard them all. Maybe a maximum to make sure it's covered at various speeds or something. Who knows.

Anywho.... Here is the list of all the stuff I found on the PRS database with the search term of 'Thomas Rowlands'

Apologies if any of these have been discussed before. Thought it better to include everything, rather than risk missing something out.

140 SONG - 18 Sep 2003
2 PEOPLE - 04 Oct 2002
BIRDS VV - 25 May 2004
BLOB - 15 May 2006 - 3m 00s
BLOB - second entry - 07 Sep 2010 - 3m 00s
BOSS ON THE BOA VV - 2 entries - 25 May 2004 - Ownership shared with "97 Account"
BROTHER GONNA B VV - 16 Feb 2005
CHATTE ROUGE, LA - 05 Nov 2001
CHERUB CLOWN HARMONIES - 04 Oct 2011 - 3m 01s
E TRADE - 24 Feb 2017 - 4m 00s
ELEKTRO DUB - 06 Mar 1997 - Alternative title: WERBEMUSIK - 3:00 duration
ELEKTRON - 18 Jan 2008 - 3m 00s
EXIT THE PLANET VV - 27 May 2004
FALLING 2710 - 20 Mar 2019 - 0m 01s (not a typo, maybe a NEUUM type thing? But for Catch Me I'm Falling)
FLAMMING LIPS - 27 Jul 2004 - Noel Gallagher with 100% Composer/Author credit, T&E listed too
FORGE - 01 Jun 2017 - 4m 00s - Just Tom credit
FOUR BROTHERS - 10 Jul 2008 - Big list of composer/author credits (https://is.gd/NwDUDp) that looks suspiciously like the names of the artists featured in track 1 of Brothers Gonna Work It Out.
FURTHER - 06 Jul 2011 - Martin Hall & Anthony Edward Fergusson also credited
GALACTIC PHASE SHIFT INTERLUDE - 04 Oct 2011 - "Intended Use: General Usage" - 3m 01s
GALILEO FINALE - 01 Jun 2017 - Just Tom - 4m 00s
GALVANIZE (ARABIC VERSION) - 01 Jun 2008 - 3m 00s - QTip & Aatabou both listed
GOODYEAR *** WERBESP - 30 Jul 2004
HORSE/DAWN - 01 Jun 2017 - Galileo for sure - Tom only
I LOVE TECHNO - 19 Oct 2007 - 3m 01s
IF SEQUENCES - 06 Dec 2005 - 3m 00s
INTRO - 30 Oct 1998
JUPITER THEME - 01 Jun 2017 - 4m 00s - Galileo for sure - Tom only
KRAFTY NUMBERS - 30 Nov 2007 - 3m 00s
ME - 18 Jul 2001 - 3m 00s
MIND RESPONSE - 24 Jun 1998 - 3m 00s - Miss/early registration of Music:Response?
MISSION IMPOSSI VV - 03 Jun 2004
MODE 700 - 01 Jun 2017 - 4m 00s - Galileo probably, maybe using same sounds as Escape 700? - Tom only
Moon Theme - 01 Jun 2017 - 4m 00s - Galileo for sure - Tom only
O C CUES - 16 Jan 2007
OC - 22 Jun 2007 - related to the one above for sure
ON THE HOUSE - 24 Jan 2002
OPENING GALILEO THEM - Alternative title: Life of Galileo - 01 Jun 2017 - 4m 00s
PACO RABANNE LADY MILLION - 29 Jan 2013 - 3m 00s - Ali Love also credited
PALETTE CLENSER - 15 May 2006 - 3m 00s
PAPAL DISCO - 01 Jun 2017 - 4m 00s - Mentioned before I think. The awesome nightclub scene from the play
PARTY BREAK - 19 Oct 2004 - 3m 00s
PLAGE 8 VV - 24 Jul 2007
PROBLEMS - 15 May 2006 3m 00s - COULD IT BE!?
RACING THE TIDE - a quick google brings up this article (https://music.avclub.com/the-chemical-brothers-surrender-1798192087) about Surrender. What track is this actually? I'm not up to date
REPLACEMENT KILLERS - 26 Jan 2005
RESPONSE - 17 Nov 1999 - Another alternate entry for Music:Response??
RIOT VV - 15 Jun 2004
ROUND ROUND - 27 Jun 2003 - 3m 00s
SALMA - 07 Mar 2011 - 3 m 01s - Credits for Derrick Stewart, Renato Carusone & Nicola Salerno
SCARECROW - 03 Jun 2003 - 3m 00s - David Lee Roth credit - the proposed collaboration from this article (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jun/28/chemical-brothers-been-together-longer-than-marriages)?
SHUKE - 09 May 2006 - 3m 00s
SKINK - 06 Mar 2006 - 3m 00s - Tom only
SKY - 01 Jul 1999
SLOW BUTT GRIND - 04 Nov 2004 - 3m 00s
SOLDIER - 06 Mar 2005 - Obviously Left Right, but no Anwar credit
STEPS - 28 Aug 2008 - 3m 00s
STUFF - 01 Feb 2002
SUN - 01 Jun 2017 - 4m 00s - Galileo - Tom only
SWIFT JUSTICE - 03 Jun 2003 3m 00s
THEME - 14 May 2002
TOMB RAIDER - 04 Jul 2002 - Galaxy Bounce, of course
TRACK 4 NO NAME - 29 Jan 2002
TRAVELLERS SITE - 28 Mar 2017 - 3m 01s
UNDER THE PINK - 08 Apr 2005 - 3m 00s
WITH JUSTIN WAR VV - 20 Mar 2001

Paul Janeway - Healing. I think we talked about this, right? Tom has a writing credit. Didn't include it in the list but it's there.

There's also, A LOT of Ariel tracks that I can't find on Discogs. Am I missing something there?
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: WhiteNoise on Apr 10, 2019, 21:47
Hot damn this is a lot to unpack! I'll start with what I think I know:

Quote from: Enjoyed on Apr 10, 2019, 21:17
• RACING THE TIDE - a quick google brings up this article about Surrender. What track is this actually? I'm not up to date

It's "Surrender" - early promo copies listed that track as "Racing the Tide"
https://www.discogs.com/The-Chemical-Brothers-Surrender/release/169487

Quote from: Enjoyed on Apr 10, 2019, 21:17
• STEPS - 28 Aug 2008 - 3m 00s
Quote from: Enjoyed on Apr 10, 2019, 21:17
• ELEKTRON - 18 Jan 2008 - 3m 00s
Names of the 3 "ringtones" of synth noises they released in 2008 (hey does anyone still have these? I lost my copies!). The third one was "Wizard", was the intro sound of EBW9 and afaik the first clue we had toward the actual name

Quote from: Enjoyed on Apr 10, 2019, 21:17
• SLOW BUTT GRIND - 04 Nov 2004 - 3m 00s
Outro to Elektrobank, was named on 2004 setlists as this

Quote from: Enjoyed on Apr 10, 2019, 21:17
• PARTY BREAK - 19 Oct 2004 - 3m 00s
I think this is an early title for Come Inside. Here's a blog post with the 2004 setlist printed verbatim
https://rebelbassje.wordpress.com/2004/08/21/chemical-brothers-aciieeeeeed/

Quote from: Enjoyed on Apr 10, 2019, 21:17
• CHERUB CLOWN HARMONIES - 04 Oct 2011 - 3m 01s
Quote from: Enjoyed on Apr 10, 2019, 21:17
• GALACTIC PHASE SHIFT INTERLUDE - 04 Oct 2011 - "Intended Use: General Usage" - 3m 01s
"You are all my Children" outro to Superflash and the massive Don't Think second half outro section, were both named on 2011 setlists like this

Quote from: Enjoyed on Apr 10, 2019, 21:17
• PACO RABANNE LADY MILLION - 29 Jan 2013 - 3m 00s - Ali Love also credited
Version of Do It Again was used in a Paco Rabanne ad around this time

Quote from: Enjoyed on Apr 10, 2019, 21:17
• MIND RESPONSE - 24 Jun 1998 - 3m 00s - Miss/early registration of Music:Response?
This one weirds me out - that's the title given to the early version of Music Response on the 1997 Osaka bootleg. I thought it was just the bootlegger's name for it.

Quote from: Enjoyed on Apr 10, 2019, 21:17
• REPLACEMENT KILLERS - 26 Jan 2005
uhhhhh - this is Keep Hope Alive by The Crystal Method, as featured on the Replacement Killers soundtrack and frequently mislabeled as "The Chemical Brothers - Replacement Killers"

So something tells me some of these database entries are actually automated or mistakenly taken from bad tags and bootleg titles floating around.

Quote from: Enjoyed on Apr 10, 2019, 21:17
• KRAFTY NUMBERS - 30 Nov 2007 - 3m 00s
Maybe All Rights Reversed (Fight The Drabs)?

Quote from: Enjoyed on Apr 10, 2019, 21:17
• SKY - 01 Jul 1999
probably The Diamond Sky

Quote from: Enjoyed on Apr 10, 2019, 21:17
• FURTHER - 06 Jul 2011 - Martin Hall & Anthony Edward Fergusson also credited
Another World
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 10, 2019, 22:20
Quite a lot of these are already addressed on the SACEM thread. Might be worth having that open in a second tab before doing any more explanations like WN's.


Quote from: WhiteNoise on Apr 10, 2019, 21:47

MIND RESPONSE - 24 Jun 1998
This one weirds me out - that's the title given to the early version of Music Response on the 1997 Osaka bootleg. I thought it was just the bootlegger's name for it.
For some reason I thought this was the name for the Breaks version of HBHG (with the Jungle Brothers "What U Waiting For" rap) in DJ sets? There was definitely a name besides HBHG  ???

Quote from: WhiteNoise on Apr 10, 2019, 21:47

• KRAFTY NUMBERS - 30 Nov 2007 - 3m 00s
Maybe All Rights Reversed (Fight The Drabs)?
Kraftwerk have a track called Numbers (and New Orders' Krafty is a reference to Kraftwerk - although it really doesn't sound like Kraftwerk). Did the Chems have a DJ weapon of Numbers at some point?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YPiCeLwh5o

Incidentally, French speakers: La Chatte Rouge, isn't that a bit naughty?
My understanding is that Le chat = the cat, La chatte = pussy, but not really in the cat sense. Rouge of course is red. I could be very wrong about this!
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Enjoyed on Apr 11, 2019, 00:20
Sorry guys. I knew there would be some obvious ones that, with a little more mental power spent I could have omitted, but I'd rather have them all and ignore (or edit out) the ones we don't need.

Quote from: WhiteNoise on Apr 10, 2019, 21:47

So something tells me some of these database entries are actually automated or mistakenly taken from bad tags and bootleg titles floating around.

Yeah. Almost all of those peculiar looking ones have comments/tags essentially saying that no one is trying to figure out who owns the work. Though, weirdly some of them have been updated relatively recently - again, perhaps due to bot sweeps automatically ingesting bad information and populating the database.

Glad we have a bunch figured out already.
Mind Response is cool.
But Music:Response is cooler.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: mfc83 on Apr 11, 2019, 01:17
Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 12, 2018, 04:05
I'll try to make my archive of interviews available online somewhere if someone asks!

I'm asking ;D I read a couple of interviews way back in the day (like, late 90s back in the day) where they divulge some cool details. Would love to read some of those old interviews again.

One amazing story was about the birth of It Doesn't Matter. They said the power went out at a gig like 10 mins before their show and they didn't have time to load up all their samplers etc. again. So they programmed that drum beat and a big kick underneath it, and chucked in the vocal sample and jammed on that while the rest of the gear was loaded up. So awesome.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Stefan on Apr 11, 2019, 06:24
I like how all of those have creative names and then there's just "Track 4 no name"  ;D
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: WhiteNoise on Nov 21, 2019, 23:44
Updated to include the early DJ versions of C-H-E-M-I-C-A-L, Got To Keep On, and Eve of Destruction as well as the goodies and oddities from this years' BBC mixes, and Ed's speculation they might release or create some extended versions of No Geography era songs including the title track itself.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Ben_j on Nov 21, 2019, 23:57
Quote from: Enjoyed on Apr 10, 2019, 21:17

CHATTE ROUGE, LA - 05 Nov 2001
First thing I think of when seeing this is Etienne De Crecy and Cassius' Philippe Zdar, they released a couple of records under that name. Could it be a remix for them, maybe? They haven't released anything around 2001, even under their other alias, Motorbass

I love that track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKkgQdRL2zM

And Wolkenkrabber, La Chatte Rouge can also just mean the red (female) cat ;)

EDIT:
Searching on Discogs, Etienne de Crécy released Tempovision in late 2000 and Tempovision Remixes in 2002 (not sure when exactly) A remix of sorts for him in late 2001 seems plausible. Maybe it didn't make the cut
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: WhiteNoise on Sep 25, 2020, 16:21
Updated for the Rowlands Audio Research stuff
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Oct 24, 2020, 11:43
https://twitter.com/ChemBros/status/1319962798047285248

Me neither Tom, me neither.
(Is this the right thread? I mean you can download it now so it's kinda released)
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: ThePumisher on Oct 24, 2020, 13:45
and it's foking brilliant
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Biff on Oct 24, 2020, 14:43
That's funny- I had this Chems biography book called Life is Sweet that was published probably around '97 or '98 and they mention them playing Tomorrow Never Knows live. I had just assumed they messed up and meant Setting Sun.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: WhiteNoise on Oct 24, 2020, 15:20
What an insane surprise! I straight up never thought we'd ever hear this, I've read about it and even confirmed it with Tom - it was something they did for encores at early shows - but like he said, he wasn't aware of any recordings. This man's just been sitting on a DAT tape of the whole show for 24 years.

The Orb, Orbital, and Underworld all played this fest and their sets have been circulating for a while. 1996 was among the best Chems tours and there's a chance we hear weirdies like Get Up On It or Don't Stop The Rock in the set once/if he uploads the whole thing.

IIRC they got a cease and desist from the Beatles for doing this.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Csar on Oct 24, 2020, 20:38
Woot woot, some "new" stuff. It sounded really good, but man, the vocal loop gets tedious after two minutes. The rest is dope!
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: rynostar on Oct 25, 2020, 06:47
repeating my sentiment on the LA '19 recording...

Holy Sh@#t!!!!

What the hell!! I thought I had 2020 discoveries in the bag but this takes it to another level.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: GLAKO-FAHN on Oct 25, 2020, 13:20
very cool! nice find

Quote from: WhiteNoise on Oct 24, 2020, 15:20
IIRC they got a cease and desist from the Beatles for doing this.
how does this work exactly for live shows.? just curious, don't know the laws about this
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Conn6orsuper117 on Oct 25, 2020, 14:32
Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Oct 24, 2020, 11:43

https://twitter.com/ChemBros/status/1319962798047285248

Me neither Tom, me neither.
(Is this the right thread? I mean you can download it now so it's kinda released)

Hot damn! :o this is much better than what I visualized when I heard the rumors. I hope soon to hear the full set performance, if he plans on releasing it.

EDIT: 27/10
He plans on releasing the full Festival, I'm in heaven!!!
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: inchemwetrust on Oct 27, 2020, 06:05
Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Oct 24, 2020, 11:43

https://twitter.com/ChemBros/status/1319962798047285248

Me neither Tom, me neither.
(Is this the right thread? I mean you can download it now so it's kinda released)

Whirls! Get over here quick! Your about to make a trip down memory lane very soon!

One of my first raves ever attended (with,orb,underworld) but the sad fact remains that I didn't bother checking out the chemical brothers that night, and I regret it to this very day!

:o TNK was murdered I tell you! Just f'ing mind blowing in every way!
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: inchemwetrust on Oct 27, 2020, 19:59
Some slight context:

Also up that night were the Chemical Brothers, who almost didn't make it to the show. "I remember sitting in the box office," says Tollett. "I didn't have a staff, I am just doing it myself, It's all cash. I hear that Chemical Brothers need to be picked up at the hotel pretty far away. That's a dilemma—do you stop watching the cash or go pick up the Chemical Brothers. I chose pick up the Chemical Brothers."

Paul Tollett
One of the promoters for Organic 96 AKA Mr.Coahella/Goldenvoice

https://starlightpr1.com/blog-detail/11003/how-organic-made-history-as-southern-californias-first-legitimate-dance-fest/
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Ben_j on Apr 01, 2021, 10:32
Listening back to Come With Us, I was reminded of that mysterious track that is in the Centro-Fly 2003 DJ Set. It uses the drums and bell samples from Pioneer Skies, the vocal and some drum samples from "It Began in Afrika", the "1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4" sample, that I think is used in Base 6, a bass sample from Sparks' "Tryouts for the Human Race" (or is it "Beat the Clock"?), and the "Mama say mama sa mamakossa" that was used in Michael Jackson's "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'". Does anyone remember any info on it? I always thought it could be "Here come the Drums"

EDIT: I was a bit oblivious about that, but the main drum sample is also from "Beat the Clock"

EDIT bis: Oh it is mentioned on the first post, I didn't see it, I was looking at Here come the drums

Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 04, 2018, 17:35
It Began in Afrika (Early Version aka Pioneer Skies Drums Version)
Heard - It Began in Afrika began as a radically different version sampling the same drums as used in Pioneer Skies. The Chems played this out at a number of DJ sets in 2001-2003 and it can be heard in a few bootlegs from that time.
Any chance Here Come The Drums could be this early version of It Began in Afrika or are we sure those are two different tracks ?
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Apostle on Apr 05, 2021, 01:18
Quote from: Ben_j on Apr 01, 2021, 10:32

Listening back to Come With Us, I was reminded of that mysterious track that is in the Centro-Fly 2003 DJ Set. It uses the drums and bell samples from Pioneer Skies, the vocal and some drum samples from "It Began in Afrika", the "1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4" sample, that I think is used in Base 6, a bass sample from Sparks' "Tryouts for the Human Race" (or is it "Beat the Clock"?), and the "Mama say mama sa mamakossa" that was used in Michael Jackson's "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'". Does anyone remember any info on it? I always thought it could be "Here come the Drums"

EDIT: I was a bit oblivious about that, but the main drum sample is also from "Beat the Clock"

EDIT bis: Oh it is mentioned on the first post, I didn't see it, I was looking at Here come the drums
Any chance Here Come The Drums could be this early version of It Began in Afrika or are we sure those are two different tracks ?

Dude, this brings me back. I was at that Centro Fly DJ set. 20 years old, somehow my uncle was able to get the bouncer to walk us in past the full queue outside, pre opening of the club, while I was smoking a lit cigar (like a moron). I spent the entire set directly in front of the booth desperately trying to get the bros attention. I must've fell down on my face 4 times. I don't remember much, but I am pretty sure they played Song to the Siren and I almost died. I remember Nude Night too.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Ford on Apr 10, 2021, 04:40
Quote from: Conn6orsuper117 on Oct 25, 2020, 14:32
He plans on releasing the full Festival, I'm in heaven!!!

Here is the full broadcast, all five hours.

https://www.bratproductions.com/audiovault/radio_recording/brat_organic96.html

He also doesn't appear to realise it was Tom who replied to him on Twitter and wished him a happy birthday.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Conn6orsuper117 on Apr 10, 2021, 23:02
Quote from: Ford on Apr 10, 2021, 04:40

Here is the full broadcast, all five hours.

https://www.bratproductions.com/audiovault/radio_recording/brat_organic96.html

He also doesn't appear to realise it was Tom who replied to him on Twitter and wished him a happy birthday.
Already been up on the archive channel for months now, though I'm still pretty miffed they cut 4 tracks from the set.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Bosco on Apr 12, 2021, 19:28
Quote from: Apostle on Apr 05, 2021, 01:18

Dude, this brings me back. I was at that Centro Fly DJ set. 20 years old, somehow my uncle was able to get the bouncer to walk us in past the full queue outside, pre opening of the club, while I was smoking a lit cigar (like a moron). I spent the entire set directly in front of the booth desperately trying to get the bros attention. I must've fell down on my face 4 times. I don't remember much, but I am pretty sure they played Song to the Siren and I almost died. I remember Nude Night too.

This is awesome. This is the type of anecdote I'm looking for my American live/dj set Chronology thread

https://forum.thechembase.com/index.php/topic,212.0.html

additionally, I know there is incomplete recording of that night out there. The forum went crazy for Koenig Cylinder's - 'Carousel' when the recording surfaced back in the day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tbHDkYRSoY
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Apostle on Apr 13, 2021, 18:53
Quote from: Bosco on Apr 12, 2021, 19:28
This is awesome. This is the type of anecdote I'm looking for my American live/dj set Chronology thread
I updated that thread with a few notes from a couple of NY shows. Good stuff!
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Born In Planet Dust on Apr 15, 2021, 04:12
Quote from: Ford on Apr 10, 2021, 04:40

Here is the full broadcast, all five hours.

https://www.bratproductions.com/audiovault/radio_recording/brat_organic96.html



Can we talk about how that version of "The Box" from Orbital's set is fucking incredible?
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: ThePumisher on Dec 18, 2021, 15:23
Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 04, 2018, 17:35

45 aka "Dirty Xylophones"
Heard, disputed - This is an unidentified track played during the 2019 Essential Mix at around 45:45 (hence the nickname). It can't be agreed if this is actually a Chemical Brothers song or not.

This can be taken off from the list.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: hstn on Feb 20, 2022, 05:31
Anybody think it's time we added the Printworks tracks to this list? There's at least three that we know of, two having proper titles added to them (Stefan Clips and Woo Track) and two that are questionable, one I haven't even heard much of with an "It's Just Like" vocal reported by some members. The other was posted by Sneakerbeater in addition to the woo track

I'll add relevant videos but hopefully maybe these 3-4 will have more revealed about them soon enough!

Woo Track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWgA_6bxap0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPIMpGe4N1A

Stefan Clips (And I Feel Like I'm Dreaming)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Uz6_tityEg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLUcJyhtqlY

Unknown Track, I'm gonna argue this one is indeed Chemical (If anyone has more of this one and the It's Just Like track please feel free to share!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB8RweBfxbc
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Feb 20, 2022, 12:35
I had a go at listing all the new stuff in Reply 117 here (https://forum.thechembase.com/index.php/topic,2312.msg27966.html#msg27966).

As per my comments in that post, I think your 5th video above (filmed by Sneakerbeater from this forum) is a colab with Wolf Alice (Or Ellie from the band). Pumisher spotted that the Chems insta follows Wolf Alice's Ellie Rowsell's insta, and I'm guessing this track may be why. I was calling it the "warped pop/rock track". I guess it's another Chemical indie track following in the footsteps of the likes of Magic Numbers etc.

The more I listen to the "all of a sudden it's like" clip, the more sure I am that it is NOT the woo track but that it IS Chemical. Different timbre/synths (synth coulda been used in MAH?). It doesn't shazam, which reinforces the 'unreleased' status, IMHO. Unreleased tracks in Chems DJ sets tend to be Chemical rather than by anyone else.

Hear it on the 4th slide here:
https://www.instagram.com/buggedoutclub/p/CX00_3Brn_U/?utm_medium=copy_link
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: ThePumisher on Feb 20, 2022, 15:29
Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Feb 20, 2022, 12:35

Pumisher spotted that the Chems insta follows Wolf Alice's insta
No no no  ;)  They follow Ellie, not Wolf Alice. At least on Insta, can't talk for other platforms.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: ; on Mar 26, 2022, 15:06
Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 04, 2018, 17:35
Elektron, Steps, and Wizard
Heard - for unknown reasons, The Chemical Brothers released 3 synth sounds as ringtones. They're low quality but raw. Elektron uses a sound from EBW7, Wizard a sound from EBW9, and Steps a synth similar to the ones used in Scale.

I'd be really interested to hear these and maybe use them, does anyone have them?
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: The Nina Frequency on Aug 28, 2023, 19:04
Has "The Nina Frequency" never been leaked for real?
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Csar on Aug 29, 2023, 09:57
Well, I don't know if this version on YT is a real leak but it's the only thing I'm aware of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7-hrFR5vF0
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: ThePumisher on Oct 19, 2023, 18:02
Quote from: WhiteNoise on Feb 04, 2018, 17:35
Bjork - Hyperballad
Kinda heard - Bjork rejected the remix on account of her "aversion to slap bass", but the Chemical Brothers reworked the remix, sans any Bjork, and turned it into Dig Your Own Hole. We still don't know what the Bjork version would have sounded like, chucking an acapella of Hyperballad onto Dig Your Own Hole yields odd results.


From the Q&A in the Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/oct/19/the-chemical-brothers-we-played-on-top-of-a-toilet-block-with-sequencers-on-the-loo):

You've been responsible for some cracking remixes, such as Jailbird by Primal Scream. How much involvement does the original artist have and are you typically given free rein? VerulamiumParkRanger

Ed: We would never take one hi-hat from the original track and call it a remix. We take the same ingredients somewhere else. In the big 90s run of remixes we did for Primal Scream, the Charlatans and so on, people would come down and contribute or bring stuff on tape. In terms of free rein, we've only had a record label man ask us to change something drastically.

Tom: He didn't get his way, although when we did Björk's Hyperballad, she said: "I will never have a record with slap bass." She made the right call. How did we ever think Hyperballad needed to be a slap bass odyssey? Although we reworked those bits for our track Dig Your Own Hole.
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: Joslyn on Dec 16, 2023, 16:08
Did 'All rights reversed (Fight the drabs mix)' ever get a physical release or did it stay an Apple music exclusive release?
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: neorev on Dec 16, 2023, 16:13
Quote from: Joslyn on Dec 16, 2023, 16:08
Did 'All rights reversed (Fight the drabs mix)' ever get a physical release or did it stay an Apple music exclusive release?
The Fight The Drabs mix has been available on all streaming services and digital music stores for a while now as part of the Brotherhood deluxe edition. It's not exclusive to Apple Music.

https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/brotherhood-the-chemical-brothers/a3pylyschdgga
Title: Re: Unreleased Chemicals
Post by: GLAKO-FAHN on Dec 17, 2023, 16:54
huh. i somehow haven't actually listened to this before now. i like this a lot better than the album track..