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Title: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 01, 2017, 12:37
Well I suppose I could just sign up to WhoSampled but I don't know if I wanna go full nerd.
I do like a good "trainspot"- by others as well as me. It's not just about being a smug cleverclogs, it's about appreciating the interconnectedness of music, or something.

Anyway, more of a question than an answer on this occasion. I was listening to Uranium by Kraftwerk recently. We all know it was sampled in Blue Monday but listen to the opening four seconds of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePW52C5YBbA

Have they been sampled in the opening seconds of Come Together (and f&cked around with), or am I mistaken? Can't decide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3vvn2qOh58
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Ben_j on Apr 07, 2017, 09:44
Quote from: Skyscraper on Apr 01, 2017, 12:37

Well I suppose I could just sign up to WhoSampled but I don't know if I wanna go full nerd.
I do like a good "trainspot"- by others as well as me. It's not just about being a smug cleverclogs, it's about appreciating the interconnectedness of music, or something.

Anyway, more of a question than an answer on this occasion. I was listening to Uranium by Kraftwerk recently. We all know it was sampled in Blue Monday but listen to the opening four seconds of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePW52C5YBbA

Have they been sampled in the opening seconds of Come Together (and f&cked around with), or am I mistaken? Can't decide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3vvn2qOh58

It's a fairly easy sound effect to do so it's hard to tell if it's a sample or not
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Biff on Jun 04, 2017, 21:23
I was digging in the realm of obscurity (read: artist with < 20,000 plays) on Spotify, when I came across this gem. Recognize it on first listen? If not, just up the pitch from C->E and time stretch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6-V6UJTiOs
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Explud on Jun 04, 2017, 21:42
Blue Train?
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Jun 04, 2017, 22:33
Quote from: Biff on Jun 04, 2017, 21:23

came across this gem. Recognize it on first listen?

Ooh, Good spot! (https://youtu.be/69oou5NwKO4?t=2m6s) Blatantly nicked, and seemingly no writing/sample credit given to them.

The fact that the band didn't get a record contract in the 60's and their music didn't get released 'til 2003 may have made it easier not to credit them. And, as pointed out in the YT comments the song is based on a live-only Doors song. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaO0b-DvJU8?t=1s)

ps: Fascinating fact time: The colourful bus you can see at around 5.44 in Biff's video above is I believe, Ken Kesey & his Merry Prankster's bus. The Bus was known as Further(!) and inspired The Beatles' (much loved by the Chems) Magical Mystery Tour. Ken Kesey incidentally was the author of One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest (worth reading even if you've already seen the Jack Nicholson film). The money he got for that book allowed him to buy/maintain the bus and look after the people who joined him (i.e The Merry Pranksters) on his um, magical mystery tour. They drank a lot of Kool Aid with LSD/Acid in it, and had "Acid Tests". Read more about it on wikipedia, where you will notice a flyer asking "Can you pass the acid test? (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=can+you+pass+the+acid+test&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwi4wNzeuaXUAhVFPxQKHcZ7DmIQ_AUICigB&biw=1366&bih=610)"

There's a book about all this called The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test (1968) by Tom Wolfe. Although it's not technically fiction, it kinda reads like fiction and I recommend it! And yes that is the same Tom Wolfe who would release his first fiction book 19 years later in 1987: The Bonfire Of The Vanities. I also recommend this book despite the fact that the Tom Hanks film adaptation of it was a complete disaster.

So that's three book recommendations from me, and a new question for Tom should the opportunity arise. I.e: Tom did you name your 2010 album after Ken Kesey's bus, and how much acid was in your kool aid during the recording process?
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: ThePumisher on Jun 05, 2017, 09:12
Quote from: Skyscraper on Jun 04, 2017, 22:33

There's a book about all this called The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test (1968) by Tom Wolfe. Although it's not technically fiction, it kinda reads like fiction and I recommend it!
Have that in my shelf and can recommend it too.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Aug 07, 2017, 00:04
Ok, Chemical Hive Mind, a question re BRB.

Quote from: Csar in a DJ Date thread on Aug 05, 2017, 11:15

The bass at the mark you mentioned bears some resemblance with the BRB sample, but I'm not sure if it's really it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQADXqHKmEQ

I have little doubt that the Chems were 'inspired' by the bassline from the above track. But did they directly sample it? According to WhoSampled, they sampled the bassline from the intro of this track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6F8yUdg6ls

So did they take inspiration from one track but actually use another track to create the bassline?
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Csar on Aug 07, 2017, 09:12
Ha, I forgot about the Crusaders' sample. This does sound like the actual sample for BRB. I might have jumped the gun and think you're right here!
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Bosco on Mar 06, 2019, 01:10
I've argued the point at disclosing samples so freely, so I suppose this kinda makes me a hypocrite for sharing... But things are slow and I figured I share before I forget that I came across this...

In some of my late night "innocent" internet searches ( :P), I go down these worm holes where I search for a relatively simple thing, but I find myself somewhere that I end up discovering something strange and forget what I was searching for in the first place. Well, this is one of those occurrences. Not too long ago, I somehow came across the soundtrack for the film 'Forbidden Planet'. I sampled some of the soundtrack and it's an early form of experimental electronic music that would be easily referenced as old space sci-fi film music. It seems like a treasure trove of work that would be easily sampled or "borrowed" from. Actually some of it sounds pretty awesome, and I would say it's worth checking out in full. Here are some tracks that I found similarities in:

exhibit A:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vuyd_i488Fg

exhibit B:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyyrgORcsHU


I'll let you guys connect the dots.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: mfc83 on Mar 19, 2019, 22:02
To me those snippets just sound like Synthi, rather than stuff the Chems directly sampled.

I have been enjoying reversing parts of their tracks to discover what's been backmasked. Always thought Let Forever Be was backmasked guitar samples, but it seems to be a mixture of regular and backmasked strings!
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Bosco on Mar 25, 2019, 21:53
You're probably right. Although, I never thought it was directly sampled either. But listening to 'Base 6' and 'Flashback' there is a lot of similarity there.

I know Tom and Ed are known to dredge through some of these older sci-fi soundtracks and have an appreciation for the early forms of electronic music. This particular score to this film was made via magnetic tape manipulation. This is basically where "Alien" type sound and sound effects derived from. I have to imagine they came across this in some format.




On very semi-related note to magnetic tape manipulation. I was exposed to this in heavy doses during my childhood, and think I finally realized why I never passed the the acid test:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt87rvCPViQ


I still have this on VHS! Oh god!
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on May 10, 2019, 20:58
When I mentioned in the Favourite Compilations & Mixes (https://forum.thechembase.com/index.php/topic,711.msg14600.html#msg14600) thread that "A Boy's Own Odyssey (Acid House Scrapes & Capers) JBOD04CD" was worth getting for Weatherall's remix of James' Come Home, I must admit it didn't ocurr to me that Come Home may have been sampled in The Private Psychedelic Reel. Am I a bit slow to this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfGixhoiegI
4.59 onwards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWLj3etXL64
6.32 onwards. Or indeed the opening three minutes. And elsewhere.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Mrdmus on May 10, 2019, 22:37
The sitar sound from PSR is sampled from The Beatles Norwegian Wood.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Conn6orsuper117 on May 11, 2019, 05:30
Quote from: Mrdmus on May 10, 2019, 22:37

The sitar sound from PSR is sampled from The Beatles Norwegian Wood.
I knew I wasn't the only one that thought that. you can even hear the guitar in the background of each cut.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: GLAKO-FAHN on May 11, 2019, 14:13
my mum told me like 20 years ago that the sitar in tppr is a beatles song =P
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Ben_j on May 13, 2019, 08:54
It was supposedly disproved to avoid The Chems having to pay for the sample, but yeah, I'm pretty convinced it comes from there
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: MIKL on May 13, 2019, 12:36
I thought it was already established that Jonathan Donahue from Mercury Rev played it for the TPPR. It should be in the credit notes.

Also, yes The Beatles wouldn't let them use it. Tom and Ed were accused of sampling Tomorrow Never Knows for Setting Sun but they were just good enough to fool the lawyers and didn't use it.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Mrdmus on May 15, 2019, 17:43
It's 100% Norwegian Wood. I recreated it in Ableton a few years ago and it was absolutely spot on. Will try and post a link at some point.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: WhiteNoise on May 15, 2019, 18:04
Quote from: Mrdmus on May 15, 2019, 17:43

It's 100% Norwegian Wood. I recreated it in Ableton a few years ago and it was absolutely spot on. Will try and post a link at some point.
Gotta hear this
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Conn6orsuper117 on May 15, 2019, 19:53
Quote from: Mrdmus on May 15, 2019, 17:43

It's 100% Norwegian Wood. I recreated it in Ableton a few years ago and it was absolutely spot on. Will try and post a link at some point.
please do ;D
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: GLAKO-FAHN on May 15, 2019, 23:21
yes please! <3
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Mrdmus on May 16, 2019, 18:33
Here you go :)

https://soundcloud.com/mooyon/norwegian-brothers
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: ThePumisher on May 17, 2019, 10:46
Quote from: Mrdmus on May 16, 2019, 18:33

Here you go :)

https://soundcloud.com/mooyon/norwegian-brothers
:o
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on May 17, 2019, 13:20
Whilst we're on the subject of Beatles sampling, Conn6or mentioned the EBW logo coming from George Harrison's Electronic Sound album in this thread (https://forum.thechembase.com/index.php/topic,1125.msg17407.html#msg17407). But did anyone mention that the Chems sampled music from that album as well? As per WhoSampled:

The noise at 5.44 on It Doesn't Matter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scctUFAoS7Q

Is at 19.57 on No Time Or Space:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wQgVCGGnjQ

And it seems Tom Rowlands actually wrote a Forward/essay in the CD booklet when the album was re-released in 2014, as per this article (http://www.georgeharrison.com/albums/electric-sound/)
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Champiness on May 18, 2019, 15:30
You might also be interested in 5:18 on that track ;p
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Csar on May 18, 2019, 15:40
Quote from: Champiness on May 18, 2019, 15:30

You might also be interested in 5:18 on that track ;p
:o Nice spotting!
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Conn6orsuper117 on May 20, 2019, 07:57
Quote from: Champiness on May 18, 2019, 15:30

You might also be interested in 5:18 on that track ;p
I don't hear anything familiar.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Csar on May 20, 2019, 12:51
Quote from: Conn6orsuper117 on May 20, 2019, 07:57

I don't hear anything familiar.
Chemical Beats at around 0:40
https://youtu.be/_GfcIprkuvw?t=39

Edit
Or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWatYLIHyW0

Oh, by the way, perhaps it's common knowledge already but isn't that sound at 7:53 (https://youtu.be/3wQgVCGGnjQ?t=473) used in Dig Your Own Hole (title track) at 2:44 (https://youtu.be/eYbSvALbkX4?t=163)?
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Hoops on May 20, 2019, 14:15
I'm kind of confused, is this thread about samples used by The Chemical Brothers or samples in general?

If it's the second one, I found this while digging around:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciIEoyjsVY8

The part that begins at 0:30 sounds a lot like Dig Your Own Hole.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: hstn on May 22, 2019, 19:38
Seems the chems sampled more of "Weekend" for the live version! (even went as far to vocode the vocal!)
https://youtu.be/Vp-gcdOoXTo?t=754
https://youtu.be/EeXKcxsS3j0?t=21
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Jun 12, 2019, 10:49
Csar's Sympathy For The Devil spotting in Chemical Spotting reminded me that if this here thing is true/definitive proof about Norwegian Wood...

Quote from: Mrdmus on May 16, 2019, 18:33

Here you go :)

https://soundcloud.com/mooyon/norwegian-brothers
...then the Reel live gives you The Beatles and The Stones. Are The Chems having a bit of a laugh?

Quote from: Hoops on May 20, 2019, 14:15

I'm kind of confused, is this thread about samples used by The Chemical Brothers or samples in general?
I started it as a samples-in-general thing but it has kinda morphed into a Chemical samples thing. Natural bias perhaps. Someone feel free to drag it away from the Chems again.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Conn6orsuper117 on Jun 17, 2019, 00:07
anyone ever noticed that the cymbol crash at the end of leave home (sans birds chirping) is in a majority of songs pre-push the button.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGI2Vindqwc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saUKLr0E4i0
@1:03

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aoc2hHVgbcU
@1:59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5nCbuhsJMk
Feel free to add more
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: whirlygirl on Jun 17, 2019, 03:36
Quote from: Conn6orsuper117 on Jun 17, 2019, 00:07

anyone ever noticed that the cymbol crash at the end of leave home (sans birds chirping) is in a majority of songs pre-push the button.

Aaaah, this has been discussed here and there 😊

https://forum.thechembase.com/index.php/topic,474.msg7925.html#msg7925
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Biff on Jun 17, 2019, 14:13
I think we need to identify the type of bird first. Maybe that'll help locate the source. (2023 after bugging a bird watching forum for months, we'll find out it's a common bird in Argentina, then realize it's from an Argentinian psychedelic band.)

Has anyone located the vocal samples used for EOD live?
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Jun 17, 2019, 14:37
Quote from: Biff on Jun 17, 2019, 14:13

Has anyone located the vocal samples used for EOD live?
You mean the "I can't take the heartbreak of you leaving me again" bits?
Same source as the "find a friend to spend the weekend" sample on the record.

Jump to 0.22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYxPBXgKcyY

Incidentally the "tonight it's party time" bit is probably the best known sample on this record, even though the Chems haven't used it. The track has been sampled a LOT in the past, especially the early to mid 90's.

I also wonder if the "well well well" at the begininng may have been inspiration for Armand van Helden's "My My My".

^Scrap that. My My My directly samples a guy called Gary Wright.
The vocals are male (and pitched up)! This has nothing to do with the Chems now. I'm just rambling...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVNz_VYIx90
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Biff on Jun 17, 2019, 17:44

Awesome, I obviously didn't listen to the sample before. It works so well live. I wonder if there's a studio edit with that additional portion on it, I mean they already had sample clearance (grated it'd probably cost more if that long segment was on there).
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: hstn on Jun 17, 2019, 19:33
Quote from: hstn on May 22, 2019, 19:38

Seems the chems sampled more of "Weekend" for the live version! (even went as far to vocode the vocal!)
https://youtu.be/Vp-gcdOoXTo?t=754
https://youtu.be/EeXKcxsS3j0?t=21


Kinda beat ya there Wolkenkrabber ;)
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Jun 17, 2019, 20:53
2017 (https://forum.thechembase.com/index.php/topic,709.msg11848.html#msg11848)
Kinda beat you there HSTN  ;)
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: hstn on Jun 17, 2019, 23:32
Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Jun 17, 2019, 20:53

2017 (https://forum.thechembase.com/index.php/topic,709.msg11848.html#msg11848)
Kinda beat you there HSTN  ;)

i meant the live version!! studio i remember from you!
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Biff on Jun 24, 2019, 01:34
I stumbled across a Chems sample today. I found the counting sample from the proto version of It Began in Afrika. It's from Kat Mandu - Shanghaied. I couldn't find it on YouTube, but if I may direct you towards Spotify.... https://open.spotify.com/track/2PE857Shnkpi2u3okatpP3?si=rnCEox5vTbeJAes82Wdwmw
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: rynostar on Jun 24, 2019, 20:51
Hmmm... right direction...but I'm thinking Kat Mandu did a remix or cover of it. The below by 'Lectric Funk may have been earlier and the original. The Spotify version has a late '80s pop-disco feeling to it. The 'Lectric Funk version has a more raw Italo-dico feeling (that baseline).

As for the timeline, it makes sense as T&E were regularly playing Kat Mandu's The Break around the time as  heard on the Breezeblock and again on the 2001 NYE set around CWU release (speaking of...still trying to find that Roland Louis Latin Percussion on vinyl from that set, true "Tropical House"). Both were on the Unidisc label in Canada. I could see T&E digging into the Unidisc back catalogue at the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUBlZKGUpmQ

The crazy part is that this was the soundtrack to a 'so bad it's good' sex comedy called gas pump girls in 1979.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWK7y43U-LY
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Biff on Jun 25, 2019, 14:57
Nice find Rynostar! You're probably right, that source would make more sense. Also now I have a new movie to watch!
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Mrdmus on Jul 25, 2019, 08:55
Quote from: Conn6orsuper117 on Jun 17, 2019, 00:07
anyone ever noticed that the cymbol crash at the end of leave home (sans birds chirping) is in a majority of songs pre-push the button.

Stereo MC's - Creation. At the very end of the song.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Jul 25, 2019, 11:52
Quote from: Mrdmus on Jul 25, 2019, 08:55

Stereo MC's - Creation. At the very end of the song.

Great spot. I remember that song but must admit I never paid close attention to that final beat.
Stereo MC's biggest hit was Connected and it used to get used in a lot of adverts. I remember Carphone Warehouse in particular using Connected for aaaages in both their TV and radio advertising and I got so sick of it - and consequently the Stereo MC's themselves -  that I would go out of my way to avoid them. Always thought the lead vocalist looked like he would steal your wallet to buy drugs. I did however like the Paul Daley (ex-Leftfield) remix of Paradise in 2005.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Nov 24, 2020, 19:46
Hey bedroom producers and remixers, how would you like stems for... Beethoven. Yes that one; Ludwig van.
Well now you can have 'em courtesy of the BBC orchestra and high brow BBC Radio 3. It's Beethoven's 5th to be exact. Personally I get more excited by his 9th (previously sampled hy U2 IIRC) but No.5 is pretty iconic too.
Click here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08x4b5z

Krafty Kuts has already had a go. His take on Ludwig has been played on 6 Music. I'm struggling to post a link but I imagine if you search 6 music for Shaun Keavney's 16th Nov show you'll find it.

https://twitter.com/Krafty_Kuts/status/1328318962841612289
(☝️ Didn't embed because of 🔥 emoji)

https://twitter.com/Krafty_Kuts/status/1328987590020698112

EDIT
Sigie Sigue Sputnik's sample of Beethoven's 9th (circa 2.33) is also worth a mention. A Clockwork Orange and Blade Runner sampled in this track too.

https://youtu.be/GUZGqFwvQAs
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Enjoyed on Mar 13, 2021, 05:21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOlKsFZhTB4

0:00 - Is that the sitar sound from Enjoyed??
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Aug 01, 2021, 16:10
Remember when Chaka Khan released "Like Sugar" a couple of years ago? It was 2018 to be exact. I remember hearing it in a barber shop and thinking: this must be an old 1970's Chaka tune, but the radio said it was her new single. It sounded like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RecY5iZn6B0

Well, I was listening to a Jodie Harsh DJ mix recently and I heard the track below, and thought: "that's an outrageous sample-and-rename job of Chaka's track!"

Laesh - Good Enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0-XwldfeBg

So I had a look to see if it had been acknowledged on Whosampled.com. No sign of it. However the YT upload for the Laesh track is from 2017. So that's before the Chaka track was released. Hmmm.  ???

Then I searched the Chaka track on WhoSampled. And guess what? It's basically a massive cover version (with direct samples) of this 2016 track:

Fatback Band / Sarah Ruba - [Are You Ready] Do The Bus Stop / Suga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmIEaoeAA1Q

...which itself was a rework of an old Fatback Band track for the soundtrack of the 2016 Netflix series The Get Down.
Here's the original from 1975:

Fatback Band - (Are You Ready) Do The Bus Stop
https://youtu.be/PeeOPR8bxac

So it seems Chaka was the last artist in the chain to cover/sample this thing, and uh...I had tell someone!

Oh and as a PS: Sarah Ruba who co-wrote that 2016 version for the Netflix show is also a compadre of Switch (Dave Taylor) with whom she co-founded a record label. And when Chaka released Like Sugar, the track got a remix from Switch. In fact the Chaka track was released on Diary Records - the label founded by Ruba/Switch.

Like Sugar (Switch Remix)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97B_UHPLggs
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: whirlygirl on Dec 06, 2021, 19:29
Hi! Long time no post.  :) I was having a random discussion about volcanoes, which led to discussing the loudest sound ever recorded, which led to YouTube in search of said recording. Easily found Krakatoa from 1883. Gave it a listen, then several more listens.

So am I deaf? Mishearing things? And more importantly, has this been mentioned here too many years ago to remember (or mentioned during one of my forum lulls?)

Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else hears the beginning of We Are The Night.

https://youtu.be/pft_KF4TCks
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Stefan on Dec 06, 2021, 22:12
Hi Whirly!

WATN is more melodic, but the roar definitely sounds similar! Now that would be an interesting sample use.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: whirlygirl on Dec 07, 2021, 04:49
Quote from: Stefan on Dec 06, 2021, 22:12

Hi Whirly!

WATN is more melodic, but the roar definitely sounds similar! Now that would be an interesting sample use.

The roar - yes that's the sound! It has been driving me bonkers wondering if that bit is just coincidence (and a case of my ears playing tricks with my brain again.)
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Stefan on Dec 07, 2021, 21:10
I'm afraid it won't be easy to get a definitive answer. Somebody could try and ask the Chems via their accounts on Twitter, there's a small chance they'll answer.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: kosek on Dec 08, 2021, 20:48
Quote from: whirlygirl on Dec 06, 2021, 19:29
nyway, I'm curious if anyone else hears the beginning of We Are The Night.

I hear it :) definitely
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Enjoyed on Jan 23, 2022, 19:45
This one is a reach, but, hear me out...

https://youtu.be/gNqHNVHLTpo
(3:10 - Eeeeeeyeessss)

https://youtu.be/zqACi8UZllI
(23.38)

Now, the video above came out WAY after STTS, so it's obviously not from that video (though it does sound oddly close!) but I speculate that some other recording that explains the phonetic pronunciation of "yes" is the actual source.

Also, side note. I had no idea how seemingly unpopular STTS is online. Searching 'Song To The Siren' on Youtube yields a fat 0 Chemical Brothers results. I get there being more popular songs with the title... but 0!? Is it just a track that's weirdly not prevalent online? Or are the other versions that much more popular?
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Bosco on Jan 24, 2022, 21:05
I think you might be on to something, Enjoyed.

You too, Whirlygirl! Though, I appear to be a month and a half late to respond...



Quote from: Enjoyed on Jan 23, 2022, 19:45
Also, side note. I had no idea how seemingly unpopular STTS is online. Searching 'Song To The Siren' on Youtube yields a fat 0 Chemical Brothers results. I get there being more popular songs with the title... but 0!? Is it just a track that's weirdly not prevalent online? Or are the other versions that much more popular?

I would point out that there is no official listing for STTS from The Chemical Brothers HQ on YouTube. I would imagine if there was an official listing it would have a lot of views/hits. Thus generating a generic hit for "Song to the Siren". Maybe it was recently removed? Or, did it ever exist?

To go further about the popularity of the track, I feel like 10+ years ago STTS held more weight within Chemical Brother lore. Today, it feels like nothing more than a nostalgic prototype amongst their other productions. I think it's remembered, but not necessarily sought out. Still, it should create a hit off of YouTube search, which was the original concerned raised.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Bosco on Jan 24, 2022, 21:19
just followed up with a search on Youtube and STTS (EPD album version) is on The Chemical Brothers HQ channel.

It is listed as "Song To The Siren (Live From Sabresonic Nightclub,United Kingdom/1994)"

...is this right, it's a live recording?

Maybe there is a copyright issue with Singles 93-03 version and or the Junior Boys original version?

weird

Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: ThePumisher on Jan 24, 2022, 22:31
Quote from: Bosco on Jan 24, 2022, 21:19

It is listed as "Song To The Siren (Live From Sabresonic Nightclub,United Kingdom/1994)"

...is this right, it's a live recording?

Booklet says yes  ;)

(https://abload.de/img/pxl_20220124_22270834jhj2c.jpg)


Quote from: Bosco on Jan 24, 2022, 21:19

Maybe there is a copyright issue with Singles 93-03 version and or the Junior Boys original version?
Singles 93-03 isn't listed as a playlist by the official TCB account while Brotherhood (disc 1) is.
And for all the tracks they've released as Dust Brothers: only the tracks that where later re-released as Chemical Brothers (Chemical Beats, One To Many Mornings & If You Kling To Me I'll Klong To You) are listed, the other ones (Dope Coil, Her Jazz, My Mercury Mouth, both versions of Dust Up Beats & Be That Thing) aren't.
Why STTS is only listed as the live version from EPD even though the studio version was also re-relased as TCB (on Singles) - i don't know.

edit:
Singles 93-03 is also not listed on Spotify, while again, Brotherhood is.
The Golden Path is on both, Youtube & Spotify, listed as Brotherhood or single / video track.
Get Yourself High is only listed as a single (luckily on both with Nude Night).

Maybe there isn't a copyright issue with Song To The Siren but with Singles 93-03?
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Bosco on Jan 24, 2022, 23:55
Quote from: ThePumisher on Jan 24, 2022, 22:31

Booklet says yes  ;)

(https://abload.de/img/pxl_20220124_22270834jhj2c.jpg)

Singles 93-03 isn't listed as a playlist by the official TCB account while Brotherhood (disc 1) is.
And for all the tracks they've released as Dust Brothers: only the tracks that where later re-released as Chemical Brothers (Chemical Beats, One To Many Mornings & If You Kling To Me I'll Klong To You) are listed, the other ones (Dope Coil, Her Jazz, My Mercury Mouth, both versions of Dust Up Beats & Be That Thing) aren't.
Why STTS is only listed as the live version from EPD even though the studio version was also re-relased as TCB (on Singles) - i don't know.

edit:
Singles 93-03 is also not listed on Spotify, while again, Brotherhood is.
The Golden Path is on both, Youtube & Spotify, listed as Brotherhood or single / video track.
Get Yourself High is only listed as a single (luckily on both with Nude Night).

Maybe there isn't a copyright issue with Song To The Siren but with Singles 93-03?

Hmmm, interesting.

That could be the reasoning behind 'Brotherhood', too. 'Brotherhood' seems a bit impractical considering 'Singles 93-03' was released only 5 years before (and is by far the better release). I don't have hard data, but, I seem to remember a lot of "Best of" type compilations being released by different artists through the early to mid 2000's. Which in retrospect, seems to be the record companies attempt to combat music piracy and their way of satisfying waning consumers by condensing albums and putting all your favorite songs, of your favorite artist, on one album.

And staying with the theory that 'Singles 93-03' has a copyright issue, that's "no bueno" for a hurting industry, so they force Chems to release another updated"Best Of" in 'Brotherhood'.




I just took it upon myself to see when the most recent re-issue of 'Singles 93-03' was,  and it was resubmitted on cd for Japan in 2015. Cleary says on Obi-strip, congruent with their 2015 Summer Sonic performance.

https://www.discogs.com/release/9269696-The-Chemical-Brothers-Singles-93-03

(https://i.discogs.com/pCCJB2qvgGnk8Nhf0OFrTG8n99762_MZIxY5n3WNRjI/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:379/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWltYWdlcy9SLTky/Njk2OTYtMTQ3Nzcw/MzcyMC00NTc5Lmpw/ZWc.jpeg)

I would imagine this couldn't happen with a copyright issue.

So whatever the reasoning behind all of this is, it's not clear.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Jul 30, 2022, 11:50
A year on from Ennio Morricone's death, when we discussed his influence on the world of music, here's my (well, mostly WhoSampled's) attempt to link Ennio with the Chems.

Ennio Morricone - For A Few Dollar More
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nffKT1m8_Fk

The whistling melody in the above was "interpolated"/replayed at 3:33 in:
Babe Ruth - The Mexican (which Prodigy fans may know as track 3 on the Dirtchamber Sessions)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_yhy54RatQ

The bassline in the above was directly sampled by Carlos Berrios in
Doin' It After Dark (D-Ski's Dance)
https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/72129352

That bassline in turn was interpolated/replayed on the bottom end of DYOH - as I mentioned in the 25th anniversary thread yesterday. From about 0.36
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYbSvALbkX4

As well as Dirtchamber 3 and Doin It After Dark, that Babe Ruth trak has a lot of other connections
e.g. Bambataa's Planet Rock, Orange Lemon (AKA Todd Terry)'s Dreams of Santa Ana, and even an R Kelly track.

Speaking of R Kelly the paedo(!), did y'all know that Afrika Bambataa is being sued for alleged child abuse (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/sep/10/afrika-bambaataa-sued)?

The fact that Bambaataa stood down from his own organisation, the Universal Zulu Nation, following allegations in 2016 does not bode well for him IMHO.

Oh hang on, technical correction on R Kelly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu6C2KL_S9o

I guess I've gone a bit off topic...
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Csar on Jul 30, 2022, 21:04
In other words, you dug your own hole?

But apart from that dark hole, interesting digging, though :D. I've loved Babe Ruth's Mexican ever since I listend to the mentioned Dirt Chamber Sessions for the first time.

To be honest, however, it's really hard to make out the connection to DYOH somehow. It probably falls into that category of samples distorted beyond recognition, as Tom once admitted in an interview from the late 90s (I guess, it's somewhere buried in the interview topic on here) to avoid IP issues.

Btw, Carlos' track does not only sample the baseline but also the drum beat, it appears.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Jul 31, 2022, 14:54
Quote from: Csar on Jul 30, 2022, 21:04

It probably falls into that category of samples distorted beyond recognition, as Tom once admitted in an interview from the late 90s

I don't know if it's a direct sample or "replayed", but I think you can hear it - speeded up A LOT -  pretty clearly on good headphones from 0:37 to 1.04 (it continues after that, but additional bass guitar comes in to muddy the waters).

And also between about 2:47 and 2:56 where it drops in and out. There's no other bass guitar here to add any confusion.

[Timings from the above DYOH vid.]
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Aug 13, 2022, 11:07
Oh it's Rock Da haus Anna? Sort of. (0:31)
https://youtu.be/GWUQZFa8AW4

WhoSampled reckons that the above drectly samples this Pete Rock track circa 4:34, but I'm struggling to hear any "Anna" here...
https://youtu.be/tpLsGL5-2_4

Incidentally the Chems remix of Voodoo People also samples the track below at 2:12. I guess Boogie Down Productions have been a long time Chemical favourite, as their JIMMY would hugely influence CHEMICAL (writing credit given) many years later.
https://youtu.be/lM77h4D4Yh0

Spoiler
And a final PS; this one may be a bit tenuous, so I've put it under spoiler tags like a coward! The "computer" sound effect in the clip below (1:22) was sampled in large sections of JIMMY. To my ears, it sounds like an influence on the "chaos" sounds you get at the end of Chems gigs.
https://youtu.be/-e6zK6NoEoQ

around 4:35 to 4:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PYKRBk2aRM
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: MadPooter on Oct 14, 2022, 22:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByT0FErPgfQ

Anyone who has seen the Chems live set recently will recognize this one.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Enjoyed on Oct 15, 2022, 00:46
Holy shit! My wife loves that movie. I did NOT pick up on that.

In fairness though, hearing the COME WITH US man is very distracting for my brain. It's all I hear.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Csar on Oct 15, 2022, 09:00
Bummer. Had hoped it was them doing the intro.. :(
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Oct 23, 2022, 20:06
YouTube has suggested I might like to listen to Egyptian Empire's Horn Track (1992) recently, and...I agree! Though I think this track was subsequently improved upon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm9bdVeZiCQ

The middle eastern/Egyptian sounding horns are a sample of an old 80s track by an act called C Cat Trance (sample right at the start).

Rattling Ghosts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HU1LTm9n9k

And if those horns sound familiar to you, it might just be because the Prodigy then sampled them on Climbatize (at about 2:38, and then really clearly from 4:22 onwards).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAeOauwkeOo

But I think if you just want Horns + breakbeats in their purest form, Horny - a breaks bootleg 12" is probably the one for you. One of a whole bunch of fantastic breaks bootlegs released in 2003/4 on DDB Records (https://www.discogs.com/label/23129-DDB-Records) - which was basicaly a white label breaks project from Dylan Rhymes. The same Dylan Rhymes whose 90s Chemical sounding track, Naked & Ashamed I posted in Now Playing recently.

DDB Records - Horny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElaBaLQcSqU
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Enjoyed on Oct 24, 2022, 05:46
I love the comments underneath, asking how Klaus 'Heavyweight' Hill (big breaks guy that some man know from his tunes on Mob Records) knows for sure that it's Dylan Rhymes.

It's literally a bootleg featuring his drums from this banger:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mi18-DzCI8&ab
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Bosco on Oct 24, 2022, 07:08
Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Oct 23, 2022, 20:06

YouTube has suggested I might like to listen to Egyptian Empire's Horn Track (1992) recently, and...I agree! Though I think this track was subsequently improved upon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm9bdVeZiCQ

The middle eastern/Egyptian sounding horns are a sample of an old 80s track by an act called C Cat Trance (sample right at the start).

Rattling Ghosts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HU1LTm9n9k

And if those horns sound familiar to you, it might just be because the Prodigy then sampled them on Climbatize (at about 2:38, and then really clearly from 4:22 onwards).


Awesome post, just for sharing the Egyptian Empire - The Horn Track. That is crazy good! Thank you!

I also have a connection! I don't think it's sampled amongst the ones you have listed, just very similar :

(Jump to 00:31)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDFVGKfhXyY

absolute legend of a game.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Enjoyed on Oct 24, 2022, 20:36
Quote from: Bosco on Oct 24, 2022, 07:08

Awesome post, just for sharing the Egyptian Empire - The Horn Track. That is crazy good! Thank you!

I also have a connection! I don't think it's sampled amongst the ones you have listed, just very similar :

(Jump to 00:31)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDFVGKfhXyY

absolute legend of a game.

YES! I thought of this too when I listened to Horn Track.
I think the Spirit Temple music (maybe also Climbatize, subliminally) is what created what I can only describe as a weird pocket of nostalgia in my brain for sandy, Egyptian sounding horns like that. Love it.

To connect this all to another tune (back in the world of Breakbeat again), this has always been a favourite track of mine from a compilation of straight bangers (Perfect Breaks):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av_Qkx0RrkU&ab
(5:00)
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Oct 24, 2022, 22:53
Quote from: Enjoyed on Oct 24, 2022, 20:36

To connect this all to another tune (back in the world of Breakbeat again), this has always been a favourite track of mine from a compilation of straight bangers (Perfect Breaks):
[Danny Sullivan & Kemist – Snake Charmer]

Well as this is the samples thread... Tablas aside, you know where they sampled that eastern/asian sound from?
Led Zeppelin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNo1nS_JV5k

It's not currently on WhoSampled (though weirdly, these things often seem to appear on whosampled after I mention them on the forum), and I don't think the producers got permission or gave credit. But tell me I'm wrong!
Incidentally an Irish/Cork act called Fish Go Deep, best known for the pop house hit, The cure and the cause (https://www.discogs.com/master/78648-Fish-Go-Deep-With-Tracey-K-The-Cure-And-The-Cause) were originally called FishGoTech (the name of a Fish n Chip joint), and one of their early releases (1994-ish) was just the full intro to Led Zep's In The Light over some beats. The track isn't listed on Discogs or anywhere else - but I guess they weren't famous yet...

Quote from: Enjoyed on Oct 24, 2022, 05:46

I love the comments underneath, asking how Klaus 'Heavyweight' Hill (big breaks guy that some man know from his tunes on Mob Records) knows for sure that it's Dylan Rhymes.

It's literally a bootleg featuring his drums from this banger:
[Meat Katie Meets Christian J – Turn Me Out]

I remember that track. Kathy Brown got a lot of mileage through the remixes with that song. I nearly bought that 12" (2004) but decided not to as I'd already bought the bootleg 12" below a few months earlier. Yes, it's Gat Decor's Passion mashed up with Turn Me Out - and no I won't get any cool points for this, but it's better than it has any right to be.

Kathy's Passion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5VNuaMauSA
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: EdGrip on Nov 06, 2022, 17:25
Hello!
I'm new here.
I think I might have one for you.

I was listening to the Mortal Coil version of Song To The Siren, from which the Chems track of the same name borrows a sample.

But I think the first few seconds are also sampled in The Private Psychedelic Reel.

This is a very quick sketch - in the track it's played polyphonically at points, and the tremolo may be a loop point rather than a simple amp LFO.

See what you think:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gtFoKmgSyhU
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: ThePumisher on Nov 06, 2022, 17:56
Quote from: EdGrip on Nov 06, 2022, 17:25

I was listening to the Mortal Coil version of Song To The Siren, from which the Chems track of the same name borrows a sample.

Which sample do they borrow?



But to build up on this: Tim Buckley's Song To The Siren, which here is covered by This Mortal Coil, was also covered in 2017 by Wolf Alice* for a Spotify Session. Wolf Alice lead singer Ellie Rowsell is supposed to be featured on the next Chems album. Fun fact: The video on youtube features scenes from the movie Atonement. Atonement was directed by Joe Wright who also directed Hanna for which the Brothers contributed the soundtrack.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUdaHKVoh9w




* i'm going to see Wolf Alice on wednesday, very happy
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Nov 06, 2022, 18:39
Quote from: ThePumisher on Nov 06, 2022, 17:56

Which sample do they borrow?

I suspect Pumisher knows the answer, but Hello Ed and welcome. Just to confuse things, the vocals on the Chems' Song To The Siren were sampled from another artist on the same label as This Mortal Coil -  4AD records (the Chems sampled 4AD stuff a lot back then). The vox are from Dead Can Dance's "Song Of Sophia". The Chems were being playful (and confusing!), and I think they just named the track after the sirens at the beginning of their track.
A similar example: The Chems track One Too Many Mornings is named after a Bob Dylan song (cos they like him) but it's not a cover of that song, nor does it sample it!


Quote from: ThePumisher on Nov 06, 2022, 17:56

But to build up on this: Tim Buckley's Song To The Siren, which here is covered by This Mortal Coil, was also covered in 2017 by Wolf Alice* for a Spotify Session. Wolf Alice lead singer Ellie Rowsell is supposed to be featured on the next Chems album. Fun fact: The video on youtube features scenes from the movie Atonement. Atonement was directed by Joe Wright who also directed Hanna for which the Brothers contributed the soundtrack.
Woah, you're twisting my melon man!
I will add that Joe Wright also directed the play, Life of Gallileo at The Young Vic, which Tom Rowlands did the music for, and which remains unreleased and only heard by those of us who went to the play.


Quote from: EdGrip on Nov 06, 2022, 17:25

This is a very quick sketch - in the track it's played polyphonically at points, and the tremolo may be a loop point rather than a simple amp LFO.

See what you think:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gtFoKmgSyhU

I think I like it! You might be on to something there.

Now do the sitar from Norwegian Wood (which is believed -by some- to be chopped up and rearranged in The Private Psychedelic Reel).

Speaking of the original Song To The Siren by Tim Buckley/This Mortal Coil, there's actually a "dance" version of that song out RIGHT NOW!
I would love to hear a Chemcial version of this actual song. I listen to this and think: it could have been really good...

HOSH - Song To The Siren
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwBApImgODU

PS Pumisher, enjoy Wolf Alice. Please hang around afterwards and ask Ellie:
a) is that her voice sampled on Dreaming, and is it correct that she has a writing credit on that track?
b) was she involved with the new "warped pop/rock/indie" track the Chems have been playing in DJ sets?
c) If they didn't play Silk (from the T2 Trainspotting soundtrack) at your gig, why not? It's ace!

PPS: Mmm Keira K. in that WA video. A friend of mine lives a few doors along from her in London, he sees her at the local supermarket and at the local swings/playground with her kids. He has kids too, he's not stalking her!

More melon twisting:
Fun fact: Keira is married to James Righton, formerly of Klaxons. Tom Rowlands produced Klaxons final album at RAR studios, and remixed their single, Love Frequency. Both Keira and James were at the opening night of Life of Galileo.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: EdGrip on Nov 06, 2022, 20:14
Quote from: ThePumisher on Nov 06, 2022, 17:56
Which sample do they borrow?

Ha! I think I read it somewhere, Wikipedia maybe, which was how I came to be listening to that version of the track in the first place.

Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Nov 06, 2022, 18:39
Now do the sitar from Norwegian Wood (which is believed -by some- to be chopped up and rearranged in The Private Psychedelic Reel).

I'm just having a listen to Norwegian Wood and will investigate further. I did put Pee-Wee's Dance into the Digitakt a while ago, I'll have to make a similar little video for that.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: ThePumisher on Nov 07, 2022, 16:50
Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Nov 06, 2022, 18:39

PS Pumisher, enjoy Wolf Alice. Please hang around afterwards and ask Ellie:
a) is that her voice sampled on Dreaming, and is it correct that she has a writing credit on that track?
b) was she involved with the new "warped pop/rock/indie" track the Chems have been playing in DJ sets?
c) If they didn't play Silk (from the T2 Trainspotting soundtrack) at your gig, why not? It's ace!



Wanted to ask her if she wanna hang out for drink but i can ask her your questions instead, no problem  ;D
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: ThePumisher on Nov 10, 2022, 19:57
no chance to ask her anything

yes, they've played Silk
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Jan 09, 2023, 23:15
Anyone seen The Banshees Of Inisherin (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11813216/)? It's from the same team that brought you In Bruges (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0780536/)

At the beginning, there's a traditional choral song. As the film is set in Ireland you might expect it to be an Irish tune but no; it is in fact Bulgarian.

Polegnala E Todora (Theodora Is Dozing).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj-o1tj_idk


This is is the second time that Bulgarian choral music has caught my attention recently. The first time was listening to the new Leftfield album.
Litening to track 8, Heart and Soul, the female choral vocal sample at around 0.05 (and again at 1:21 to 1:36, and throughout).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBXjesn-xqI

I don't think this is on the WhoSampled website yet, but I recognise that sample from an old Jam & Spoon track (Odyssey to Anyoona). And Jam & Spoon sampled the vox from this:
Young Vena: Voix Bulgares (0:23)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sua7YubaEyo

In Fact Jam & Spoon weren't even the first to sample that Bulgarian tune, with Sonz of a Loop da Loop Era and Atomic Playboy beating them to it (https://www.whosampled.com/Le-Myst%C3%A8re-Des-Voix-Bulgares/Young-Vena/sampled/) by about three years (1991).

So, did Leftfield take inspiration from the above 1990s dance/electronic acts when sampling Bulgarian choral song for 2022's This Is What We Do?
Well maybe, or maybe not. Because if we rewind back to 1992 when Song of Life was first released (pre-Leftism), we find that the etherial vocal hook in that track is also sampled from Bulgarian Choral music : Oi Maro - Bulgarian Voices (https://www.whosampled.com/The-Bulgarian-Voices-Angelite/Oi-Maro/sampled/).

Also another '92 track that ended up on '95's Leftism - Release The Pressure, used a Bulgarian source. On this occasion, the flute sound rather than vocals. The track Polegnala E Pschenitza (https://www.whosampled.com/Le-Myst%C3%A8re-Des-Voix-Bulgares/Polegnala-E-Pschenitza/). I'm not sure who Polegnala/Theodora is (a folk character?), but that's the same name/character mentioned in the Banshees of Inisherin track above.

Oh, I've also just spotted another recent-ish artist who I posted in Now Playing in 2021. (https://forum.thechembase.com/index.php/topic,60.msg27032.html#msg27032) Rampa's The Church, which samples Aychinko Pilia Chereno (https://www.whosampled.com/sample/921266/Rampa-The-Church-Le-Myst%C3%A8re-Des-Voix-Bulgares-Aychinko-Pilia-Chereno/).


Who did it first?
Looking through the WhoSampled website, Sudetenland by Holger Czukay (from the band, Can) seems to be the first artist to sample this stuff, followed by Ministry (of "Jesus Built My Hotrod" fame) on Dream Song ('89).


This stuff is traditional/folk so I presune no composer would need to be paid for royalties. The same may be true for the performer, especially as these songs are performed by Bulgararian State TV singers.
There was no internet back then, and WhoSampled didn't start until 2008. So, was there word-of-mouth knowledge that went around amongst producers in the early 90s? Was there a newsletter for producers that said: "Bulgarian Choral samples are where it's at -and they're free"? Or did they all listen to Minsitry and say: "Aha! We're gonna follow your lead"?

Lots of other examples from the '90s:

Mohammed's mind - 2 Kilos
Sushumna by Opus III (1994). [Opus III are probably best known for their track "It's A Fine Day" which was sampled big time by Orbital on Halcyon. The Opus III track had actually been a chart hit, so I've always struggled to accept Halcyon as a track in it's own right. To me it simply sounds like an Orbital remix of the Opus III track]
Two Full Moons & A Trout by Union Jack (1994)
Bulgarian - Travel (1998) [oh that's why it was called Bulgarian! Fans of Sasha's sets around 1998/9 will know this one.]
Y Traxx - Mystery Land. This one actually sampled Jam & Spoon's Odyssey To Anyoona rather than the original Bulgarian source, it appears.


Word spread to the mainstream
Moving into the 21st Century , the artists "going Bulgarian" became more mainstream with the likes of:
King Leon by Drake (2009)
Breathing by Jason Derulo (2011)
Parasite Eve by Bring Me The Horizon (2020)

But fear not, there is still some "cred" left for this sampling source. As Bicep -the current darlngs of the festival and electronic scene - sampled the Bulgarians for not one, not two but three recent tracks.

Apricots (not the "peredood" bit, but the female vox underneath from 0:46)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Govg_XmORLE

Light (from 1:02 onwards)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-vw68nduWc

Rever (from 1:01)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynuTFCdICVM
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: ThePumisher on Jan 10, 2023, 03:12
Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Jan 09, 2023, 23:15
I'm not sure who Polegnala/Theodora is (a folk character?)
Polegnala (Полегнала) describes something (or someone) laying down. It also describes if something/one has fallen down. Todora (Тодора) is a female name. Pschenitza (пшеница) is wheat.

"Polegnala e Todora" is about a girl named Todora which is lying under a olive tree [Полегнала е Тодора, / мома Тодоро, Тодоро, / под дърво, под маслиново, / мома Тодоро, Тодоро.]

"Polegnala E Pschenitza" is about wheat that has fallen down [Полегнала е пшеница]


I hope i translated that correctly.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: MadPooter on Jan 29, 2023, 11:26
I'm a fan of UNKLE--listened to James Lavelle's stuff a lot over the years. I dig the cinematic quality of it all.

I started giving Queens of the Stone Age a further listen and I came across Little Sister.

https://youtu.be/6iFv5gVjFHs?t=135

That vocal that starts at 2:14 or so sounded familiar--it reminded me of Eye for and Eye by UNKLE.

https://youtu.be/FRdS_WP9LJg?t=240

The chord progression/key seemed like it matched, but the inclusion of the vocal on that track is pretty faint.

You can hear it a lot better in a different remix of Eye for an Eye he put out on one of his Global Underground mixes.

https://youtu.be/LRFPDxtiR7o?t=1155

There's been quite a bit of Queens of the Stone Age and UNKLE crossover (James Lavelle includes a remix of one of their tracks on that Global Underground mix), and I'm curious if he used the raw recording of the vocals from Little Sister.

Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: rynostar on Jan 30, 2023, 22:57
Quote from: MadPooter on Jan 29, 2023, 11:26
There's been quite a bit of Queens of the Stone Age and UNKLE crossover (James Lavelle includes a remix of one of their tracks on that Global Underground mix), and I'm curious if he used the raw recording of the vocals from Little Sister.
Timeline makes sense as the wikipedia page for Little Sister (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Sister_(Queens_of_the_Stone_Age_song)) states the following:

"The song had been in the works for quite a while. An early version was recorded with Dave Grohl (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Grohl) in 2002 for the album Songs for the Deaf (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songs_for_the_Deaf), but was scrapped. The unfinished recording was later distributed on a bootleg recording (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootleg_recording) compilation."

Considering Never Never Land was released September 2003 (which featured Josh Homme), the GU Romania mix was released March 2004, and Little Sister was released December 2004 (promotional). Plus with that No One Knows UNKLE edit probably being a collab with Josh, I think you are onto something.

Personally, the No One Knows edit with it's breakbeat cinematic and symphonic quality is still a favourite as it reminds me of SSX3. "Peak" of the SSX series imo (pun intended). Still hoping to run into John Morgan one day to thank him for sound designing Tricky and 3 as games that sounds like club sets.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Feb 05, 2023, 22:19
As well as listening to Brit Hop & Amyl House this weekend, I've also been listening to BGWIO.

I guess it has a number of tiny samples/clips overdubbed in the mix that aren't credited, from the likes of Afrika Bambaataa and Steinski. But this one below caught my ear as I've never seen anyone mention it.

On The Serotonin Project - Sidewinder (312 vs. 216 Stomp Mix) there are some vocoder overdubs that aren't on the original track. Here at 5:29 (and 6:13 and 6:43 and 6:57 and 7:13 and 7:27 and 7:42).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibrjq_q3xww

And I recognise that as being borrowed from New Order's Spooky (around 0:09)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qc-1spEDBI

New Order, in turn sampled the vocoder bit from MC ADE's Bass Mechanic at around 0:12
I think New Order just distorted the original sample so that it kinda sounds like "yaaaah". Either that, or they added a bit of their own.

https://youtu.be/Bc9Ra8hQGo0

And here's the original version of Sidewinder without the overdubs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxVtlpJfIBs

I feel better for getting that off my chest.
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Feb 26, 2023, 14:44
Following on from my post #75 (https://forum.thechembase.com/index.php/topic,729.msg30742.html#msg30742), another track that samples Bulgarian choral vox has emerged, brand new for 2023.

Argy & Goom Gum - Pantheon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW0g1y8tJgg

It could do with a remix to toughen up the production for my personal taste, but I really like how they've used the vox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfVe0bgYZ4E

I notice that Le Mystere des Voix Bulgares -who seem to be a long running choir (presumably with members who change over time) did a full KEXP session in 2017.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFgzzWT3zX4&t
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: hubie on Mar 21, 2023, 18:27
Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Aug 13, 2022, 11:07
Incidentally the Chems remix of Voodoo People also samples the track below at 2:12. I guess Boogie Down Productions have been a long time Chemical favourite, as their JIMMY would hugely influence CHEMICAL (writing credit given) many years later.
https://youtu.be/lM77h4D4Yh0


Just picking up on your comment about CHEMICAL, I vaguely recall an early (live?) version that used samples of "The C, the H..." and so on, from the beginning of It Gets No Rougher by LL Cool J...



Obviously the samples were rearranged in much the same way as those on Super Sharp Shooter by DJ Zinc. But I assume the samples were dropped for the official release (because LL Cool J said no perhaps?) and Tom and Ed used their own vocal artist instead?
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on Apr 09, 2023, 13:38
I like these sort of videos. This one is broken into sections. There's a Daft Punk Section, a Vampire Weekend/Radiohead section, a Moby section - where he samples strings and plays them backwards (hmm, that sounds like a familiar theme at the moment). Oh and there's a Beatles section. Yes the fab four are kinda 'accused' of sampling Spanish guitar (via melotron) at the start of one of their own songs. And Strawberry Fields gets a mention too! I would probably skip over the advertising section at 4:49 though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=951suvmMDs4

After the Melotron and before the Akai sampler, there was the Fairlight CMI. Don't be put off by Bruno Mars here!
We get: the original Stravinsky performance of THAT orchestral hit. NWA, Peter Vogel - the inventor of the Fairlight. His copy of the Stravinsky record that he sampled to the Fairlight. Herbie Hancock with David Letterman, Peter Gabriel & Kate Bush, Afrika Bambaataa, Duran Duran, New Order and even The Smiths.

I think Yes's Owner Of A Lonely Heart was the first track I noticed that ORCH sound on, as a child. Whenever I heard it after that, I assumed that the other artists had nicked it from Yes. But No!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A1Aj1_EF9Y

EDIT: if you liked that Fairlight video, here's a longer one with more Letterman/Hancock and Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkiYy0i8FtA
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Ak_30 on May 03, 2023, 07:21
I may be mistaken, but I believe I've identified the original break sample used in "Life is Sweet Remix 1".
Specifically, the drum roll at 0:21 in the track bears strong resemblance to that used in "Life is Sweet Remix 1".
Title: Re: Samples & Trainspotting
Post by: Wolkenkrabber on May 28, 2023, 09:28
Quote from: Bosco on Oct 24, 2022, 07:08
Egyptian Empire - The Horn Track. That is crazy good!

New jungle/D&B take on this for 2023 just uploaded to YT this weekend.
Sounds like they sampled Egyptian Empire directly (rather than Rattling Ghosts), as you can hear the sample from Human League's Love Action which is also in the EE track.

LMAJOR - Hornz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXNBSb_3ZOc