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Yeah, which one will it be?

I'm opting for "Goodbye".

Track length and samples clearly point to "Goodbye"

He literally sings "when we say Goodbye..." Gotta be!
I'm wondering if there may be an EBW version of this track.
The track length for the album version (5:50) appears shorter than the Ibiza Instagram clip.
I realise it could have just changed since then. But I think a 7+ minute version of this would make a good EBW.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CjwEFEBoTyT/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_video_watch_again

Now that you say it, I can also make out the words!

I think that the they're using a DJ edit in this video and also, I suspect that the Jesse Jackson sample won't be on the album version.

5:50 is shorter that the DJ version, but I think longer than the live version (which is usually the case with most songs they play live)

After their live show premier of that track I've got a bit of an Angst that they might have fiddled with the great drum fills from that Insta video. They sounded tamer live.

@mesamm99  pointed this out in a different thread, but if you have Apple Music, you may want to listen to the album version of No Reason for a VERY good clue...

Quote from: satur8 on Jul 21, 2023, 12:41

@mesamm99  pointed this out in a different thread, but if you have Apple Music, you may want to listen to the album version of No Reason for a VERY good clue...

I think you're telling us that there's some Jesse Jackson (or some familiar intro beats/chords) in the segue between No Reason and Goodbye.

I guess if someone with Apple Music wants to do a real-time recording, that might be handy for the rest of us...

I cannot imagine that if the sample indeed stayed in the studio version, the cut between No Reason and Goodbye is such that any vocal sample is separated.

Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Jul 21, 2023, 15:26

I think you're telling us that there's some Jesse Jackson (or some familiar intro beats/chords) in the segue between No Reason and Goodbye.

Quote from: Stefan on Jul 21, 2023, 15:52

I cannot imagine that if the sample indeed stayed in the studio version, the cut between No Reason and Goodbye is such that any vocal sample is separated.

SPOILER

Spoiler

It's just the beginning of a beats transition, but I think 100% of those polled above guessed the name correctly.

It's confirmed to be "goodbye" 

It doesn't have the Jessie Jackson sermon vocal sample, that was just a dj edit they did. 

Quote from: chemdup on Jul 21, 2023, 22:04

It's confirmed to be "goodbye"

It doesn't have the Jessie Jackson sermon vocal sample, that was just a dj edit they did.

:Kry  :Argh  ::yell  :'(  >:(

I'm sure it will still be an amazing song.

I'm still incredibly excited for it, but the Jesse Jackson vocal was the meat to the track, my favorite part! I wonder what will make up the rest of the time then, as it is a pretty long track.

I was so convinced it would be in the track, especially when Ed posted the clips from the Glatso spider with a quote from it!

lyric source spoiler

Spoiler

Interpolation. Jump to 1 minute mark to get to some recognizable lyrics:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-Qjf5lCZyI

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So that^ is the b-side of a 7",  and I bet the a-side might have been the original thing that caught their attention.  The a-side is titled UFO and has a great sci-fi effect intro that is soooo Tom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KPcM1idizI

also, very pertinent track, as per wolkenkrabber's recent post in WTF thread

Quote from: Bosco on Jul 27, 2023, 05:04

lyric source spoiler

Spoiler

Interpolation. Jump to 1 minute mark to get to some recognizable lyrics:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-Qjf5lCZyI

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So that^ is the b-side of a 7",  and I bet the a-side might have been the original thing that caught their attention.  The a-side is titled UFO and has a great sci-fi effect intro that is soooo Tom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KPcM1idizI

also, very pertinent track, as per wolkenkrabber's recent post in WTF thread

Spoiler

Spoiler

I felt that it might be a sample, or another good interpolation.
Another really good flip

Quote from: Bosco on Jul 27, 2023, 05:04

lyric source spoiler

Spoiler

Interpolation. Jump to 1 minute mark to get to some recognizable lyrics:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-Qjf5lCZyI

---

So that^ is the b-side of a 7",  and I bet the a-side might have been the original thing that caught their attention.  The a-side is titled UFO and has a great sci-fi effect intro that is soooo Tom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KPcM1idizI

also, very pertinent track, as per wolkenkrabber's recent post in WTF thread

That UFO intro sounds familiar too. Didn't they use it in a mix?

Email just went out with the Soundcloud clip.

https://soundcloud.com/thechemicalbrothers/goodbye-snippet/s-Dw0Gp39MrlZ?si
(Ryno struggling again with embeds...)

That bass line packs a punch. We likely can update the topic name now.

Quote from: rynostar on Sep 06, 2023, 18:27

Email just went out with the Soundcloud clip.

https://soundcloud.com/thechemicalbrothers/goodbye-snippet/s-Dw0Gp39MrlZ?si
(Ryno struggling again with embeds...)

That bass line packs a punch. We likely can update the topic name now.

Right, now this sounds beyond Awesome!!

Sounds like this will have a monumental beat.

Quote from: rynostar on Sep 06, 2023, 18:27

We likely can update the topic name now.

RIP the name Big Beat Space Gospel.

Quote from: LLG on Sep 06, 2023, 19:04

RIP the name Big Beat Space Gospel.

Goodbye (Big Beat Space Gospel)

The SoundCloud snippet's end time was quite the strategic edging.

Quote from: rynostar on Sep 06, 2023, 18:27

Email just went out with the Soundcloud clip.

https://soundcloud.com/thechemicalbrothers/goodbye-snippet/s-Dw0Gp39MrlZ?si
(Ryno struggling again with embeds...)

That bass line packs a punch. We likely can update the topic name now.

Played this clip 20+ times! That drum roll rules. 

Quote from: LLG on Sep 06, 2023, 19:04

RIP the name Big Beat Space Gospel.

Quote from: Biff on Sep 06, 2023, 19:28

Goodbye (Big Beat Space Gospel)

As I believe I was the conjure-up-er of the BBSG title (as a kind of descriptor originally) back in the Amnesia Ibiza '22 thread, may I humbly suggest:
If they play the "Jesse Jackson" version again at some point, we could perhaps use the old BBSG name but the album version will of course be known as Goodbye. I heard the full album version today incidentally, and I can confirm there is zero Jesse Jackson in there.

Considering Tom's old band Ariel previously sampled this same JJ speech (amongst many other samplers), I imagine it may not be hard to license the track (or perhaps no licence is needed? It was originally on an Aretha Franklin record but credited as a speech rather than as music), I would still love to see the DJ version (which I shall call BBSG!) get a release as the next EBW.
There have been lots of "singles" so far, but no sign of an EBW. If not this track then what??

It's perfect, might be my fav one out of the "new" stuff, this one, or Dreaming. 
It's a powerful bittersweet banger

Those droning/buzzing synth sounds :Cray :music

The first few bars make me want to play Wipeout Fusion so bad. HUGE Nu Skool breaks vibes in that intro.

Quote from: Enjoyed on Sep 09, 2023, 21:37

The first few bars make me want to play Wipeout Fusion so bad. HUGE Nu Skool breaks vibes in that intro.

Seriously, give me an EBW style 8 minute bonus dub featuring the segue out of No Reason and the break intro to Goodbye.

And yes, Wipeout!

Someone on the facebook brotherhood group noticed that the break pattern goes really simillar to the one on DYOH (track) and it sure does, it's pretty much the same pattern!

Quote from: 𝒥𝑅𝒮𝒵 on Sep 10, 2023, 01:33

Someone on the facebook brotherhood group noticed that the break pattern goes really simillar to the one on DYOH (track) and it sure does, it's pretty much the same pattern!

Worth noting that they've been playing it out (https://youtube.com/watch?v=mp0fVYUOSSE?si=4gSMdGvSdE_pIbni&t=2m38s) with that familiar Odetta "Hit Or Miss (https://youtube.com/watch?v=CyPKxkH3vB8)" drum break when they do it live.
Personally I think the rhythm's got a little more in common with one of their DJ set staples - "Doin' It After Dark" by Carlos Berrios (https://soundcloud.com/berriosbeatsrecords/carlos-after-dark-berrios-doin).

I'll be honest, since we first heard it on the DJ sets, I didn't like it. But on Friday when I was driving home from work, I put on FTBF and when Goodbye started playing I was on the highway with a beautiful sunset and lots of clouds. Goosebumps. Now every time I listen to that song I remember that great moment.

I'm absolutely in love with Goodbye! Such a beautiful and emotional track.

Goodbye is incredible!

But man, do I miss that Jesse Jackson vocal...

The main vocal sample is cool, but on loop through the entire track, I get a bit tired of it. I wish there was a little more variation with it. I also feel like the main synths come in too soon... the track needs time to breathe, to explore, to find it's groove before it really breaks it down in the drop. The Jesse Jackson vocal allowed for that, while providing a lot of variety. It didn't have to be as long as in the DJ edit, but man, it just gets me pumped listening to the clips! Maybe they'll put out a DJ set like the essentials mix sometime soon with it on there.

Still, no doubt, an incredible, powerful track. I just wish I didn't think the vocal would be part of the song for so long!

And I'm not sure how to feel about the placement. It didn't, upon first listen, flow with the vibe of the tracks on either side (the transition from No Reason goes hard, but I'm talking more about the feel of both tracks) - this into Fountains felt a bit jarring. It makes sense when you think about the album as, how some people have described it, more of a 3-act album, being with the other more modern and fully Chemical tracks. I wonder, do you guys think it would work as a closer? I used to be convinced it would be the closer, but now I'm not so sure.

Quote from: ; on Sep 12, 2023, 00:26

man, do I miss that Jesse Jackson vocal...

Anyone here could always "acquire (https://www.mediafire.com/file/t460jsw9f44s1r7/10.+Speech+by+Rev+Jesse+Jackson.flac/file)" a flac of Rev. Jackson's speech from that Aretha Franklin record and put the relevant parts in the relevant places.

Yes, but it will have to be someone with decent audio editing knowledge/talent (i.e. not me)

This song is so incredibly beautiful to me -  bittersweet and sad (at least that is the way I'm taking this right now). I love the way the vocal feels like it's drifting across the sky, the way the synth wails like it is a living grieving thing, and the way those scuttling, whirring sounds come softly bubbling and buzzing in its wake. 

Not sure what to think about this as being a closer, though. Not now anyway.

Quote from: ; on Sep 12, 2023, 00:26

I used to be convinced it would be the closer, but now I'm not so sure.

Thought the same, but tbh?
It works like that 3rd track on the album

Quote from: Champiness on Sep 12, 2023, 18:17

Anyone here could always "acquire (https://www.mediafire.com/file/t460jsw9f44s1r7/10.+Speech+by+Rev+Jesse+Jackson.flac/file)" a flac of Rev. Jackson's speech from that Aretha Franklin record and put the relevant parts in the relevant places.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txbNNKzZd9w

Quote from: Csar on Sep 25, 2023, 14:24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txbNNKzZd9w

That's someone recording their record player through their mobile phone. I think the crying baby is actually in the home of the record owner rather than on the record. This does NOT count as a FLAC of the Jesse Jackson speech!
Champiness actually provided a FLAC in the link in his post.
Is there a "DJ Armchair" edit on the way Csar?  ;)

Yeah, it's not the FLAC. Just found this YT video and thought I could post it here (the baby came up later when I already had done so :) ).

Quote from: Csar on Sep 25, 2023, 14:38

Yeah, it's not the FLAC. Just found this YT video and thought I could post it here (the baby came up later when I already had done so :) ).

Credit to @hstn for finding it (https://forum.thechembase.com/index.php/topic,2774.msg32403.html#msg32403) too.

Dang it, I even posted below him on the subject... Age is catching up with me it seems..

Quote from: Csar on Sep 25, 2023, 14:38

Yeah, it's not the FLAC. Just found this YT video and thought I could post it here (the baby came up later when I already had done so :) ).

Children really do ruin everything.  

Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Sep 25, 2023, 14:29

Is there a "DJ Armchair" edit on the way Csar? ;)

Alright, after my screwing up I thought I had to make up for it:

Big Beat Space Gospel (DJ Armchair edit, Wisenheimer Records)

Big Beat Space Gospel.mp3

If anyone would like the whole thing, let me know.

Quote from: Csar on Sep 25, 2023, 19:18

Alright, after my screwing up I thought I had to make up for it:

Big Beat Space Gospel (DJ Armchair edit, Wisenheimer Records)
Big Beat Space Gospel.mp3

If anyone would like the whole thing, let me know.

YO, THAT'S MASSIVE!

Meanwhile I've did a small re-construction of the "Too Hot" "Rock Witchu" vocal sample, but dunno where to upload it

Quote from: Csar on Sep 25, 2023, 19:18

Alright, after my screwing up I thought I had to make up for it:

Big Beat Space Gospel (DJ Armchair edit, Wisenheimer Records)
Big Beat Space Gospel.mp3

If anyone would like the whole thing, let me know.

I ABSOLUTELY DO! That's incredible! New version to listen to. I had the biggest smile on my face listening to that, that was exactly what I wanted from the album version!

And JRSZ, at least send it to me, I'd love to hear!

Quote from: Csar on Sep 25, 2023, 19:18

Alright, after my screwing up I thought I had to make up for it:

Big Beat Space Gospel (DJ Armchair edit, Wisenheimer Records)
Big Beat Space Gospel.mp3

If anyone would like the whole thing, let me know.

I'd love to hear the full version of this. I've never had the chance to go to any of their dj sets so it would be awesome to have the experience of hearing a recreation of it in such high quality!

Happy you like it. PM'd you. There is no more stuff added and it's just the rest of Goodbye after these 2 minutes.

Quote from: Csar on Sep 25, 2023, 19:18

If anyone would like the whole thing, let me know.

Me please!

There have been several occasions where I've liked or bought a record and not really thought about the source of its elements. Then later on, I was susprised to find out that there was a sample in there, and that it came from a source that I hadn't imagined.

E.G:
Groove Armada's "If Everybody Looked The Same". The female sounding vocal is a direct sample from the (male) Chi-Lites We Are Neighbors (https://youtu.be/FtRg9SkPWgg?si=SOeB5yS-ZgHO46-v&t=29)

Armand Van Helden's "My My My" (which incidentally reminds me of the "well well well" part of Class Action's "Weekend"). I assumed the vocal was by a female black soul singer. But nope, it's a direct sample from a white guy called Gary Wright, a 1981 song called Comin' Apart (https://youtu.be/uky5vUfL3pM?si=UD4k4hZvIjHlV6VG&t=29)

When we first heard Goodbye on last year's Amnesia insta clips, I was guessing that the vocal might be from someone like Luther Vandross or a male session singer. It has taken me a little while to accept realise that the vocal is a direct sample of Good-bye (https://youtu.be/h-Qjf5lCZyI?si=Feit5oMCrEQya2wL&t=85) by Teresa Harris.
Yes, I know the album notes make it clear. But at first I thought it was either an acknowledgement of the original song, or that some obscure element had been sampled. But no, the vocals have been directly sampled and pitched down to sound like a man (IMHO).

I guess I'm just demonstrating my "captain slow" credentials here, but if I've only just come to accept realise this, maybe others can relate...

@Wolkenkrabber - Sometimes I don't even seek out the origins of samples anymore because it is disappointing to see how a track is built around someone else's work. Sometimes the right sample used the right way can be brilliant, and sometimes you find an artist just successfully used a bit of a song you weren't familiar with. And sadly, there are times when this is the case even for The Chemicals Brothers and Fatboy Slim, despite the brilliant ways they may present the music.

I mean, between copyright law and the flat out laziness of producers and listeners, the brilliance of Paul's Boutique by The Beastie Boys and The Dust Brothers stands alone while I'll Be Missing you by Puff Daddy and Faith Evans became the template for how hits are made. So, as an art form, I still think the Chems are way ahead of the game in creativity. It's not like Goodbye sounds like Good-bye, even after one hears them both (in my opinion).

I also don't seek out origins of samples these days. Not for unearthing disappointments... though I've never thought about it from that angle before, and I do find that to be an interesting perspective and valid point.

Forum sleuths got the seeking-out grounds covered and are always a step ahead of me anyway! ;) I appreciate the discoveries unearthed and shared here - I find it fascinating (and geeky, in the best way!) sometimes these discoveries help the song click into place like an ah-ha moment... or maybe awaken a familiarity in a "I've heard that before... but where...?" kind of way. Always loved how the music triggers a familiar nerve somehow. 

Samples always interest and fascinate me. I am introduced to this element for the first time in this context the Chems or some other artist puts it in, and I get to know it in that context. So as I get to know the song better and become more familiar with the elements, I'll start checking the samples, and it is incredibly interesting to see these elements in their original intended context and how that contrasts with the new context the artist has put them into. It can add a new spin to a song, and often, it's just interesting and super cool to see the original clip and think, what about this element called out to the Chems? What made them decide to use this part specifically? 

Though I haven't found it to be the case with the Chems or Fatboy or most songs in general, I totally understand how it could take away from the experience of the song and make the actual song feel unoriginal in comparison. One time, I went on a sample-hunting spree, checking for samples on all of my favorite songs, and I saw Robot Rock by Daft Punk sampled a song. I thought "Cool, I wonder what element was the sample!" I clicked on it and played the song that Robot Rock sampled, and heard... Robot Rock. Like, it sounded pretty much exactly like the base loop of the song. It seemed like Daft Punk looped it, added some vocals sometimes, and the occasional synth or filter, and called it an original song. I am not knowledgeable about how these songs are made, but to me, it didn't feel like there was as much effort as there was in, say Block Rockin Beats or The Rockafeller Skank. I still love and enjoy that song, but feel that slight twang of guilt knowing that the core of the song is pretty far from original. 

You should really hear the Maximum Overdrive mix. Kinda wish Daft Punk went that direction with the song, it's way more fun and to be honest, more in line with the direction of the album.

Still I never found any Chems tracks to use a "lazy" sample like that. The only song that matches it mostly is Another World, which at first I found disappointing that the beautiful sounds were actually from a sample or Got To Keep On. But even so, why bother to be disappointed when artists especially like the Chems, use samples in their work? I think that it even makes it wonderful in a way, I've always seen it as a mutual respect between artists for one to use their work and the other for letting them plaster it on their music, I never really found it disappointing as long as the song doesn't necessarily rely on using one sample streched throughout the song in a "lazy" way, like Robot Rock did. And as far as the latest works from the Chems I've never seen them do lazy work in their tracks. And I mean tracks like Got To Keep On or No Reason, and in this case, Goodbye; and I really have to say, that the samples presented in those songs honestly don't feel like they revolve around them, but the samples make the song EVEN better. idk I've found the vocal samples from the chems actually very amazing and honestly I just wouldn't imagine me hearing GTKO or No Reason without those vocal samples and not having it stuck on my head for weeks

I've struck out the word "accept" and replaced it with "realise" (or "realize" if you're American!) in my post above. It's not a disappointment, I'm just amazed that a sow's ear has been turned into a silk purse on this occasion. I can't say I'm a fan of the original song, but Goodbye is one of my fave tracks on FTBF.

Quote from: satur8 on Sep 27, 2023, 23:48

the brilliance of Paul's Boutique by The Beastie Boys and The Dust Brothers stands alone while I'll Be Missing you by Puff Daddy and Faith Evans became the template for how hits are made.

You've certainly touched on both ends of the sectrum there. I might add DJ Shadow's Endtroducing to the "good" (well, great) end of that spectrum.
I remember a younger work colleague once saying that Puff Daddy had improved The Police's track and my jaw dropped open. There's no accounting for taste...

Quote from: ; on Sep 28, 2023, 04:27

I saw Robot Rock by Daft Punk sampled a song. I thought "Cool, I wonder what element was the sample!" I clicked on it and played the song that Robot Rock sampled, and heard... Robot Rock. 

Yes I had that realisation right here (https://forum.thechembase.com/index.php/topic,392.msg10463.html#msg10462) on the forum.

Quote from: Zesty on Sep 28, 2023, 05:54

Still I never found any Chems tracks to use a "lazy" sample like that. The only song that matches it mostly is Another World

Yes that one cuught me a bit too. Another one is Got Glint.
I had seen a Black Devil (Disco Club) (https://www.discogs.com/artist/77004-Black-Devil) album on display in Phonica Records with a blurb from the store saying that the Chems were fans. I didn't know how Phonica knew that at the time, but it turns out that Bernard Fevre is the man behind that name. And the Chems sampled a really important chunk of Fevre's Earth Message for Got Glint. I would even suggest that Got Glint wouldn't really exist without Earth Message (https://youtu.be/bCp6yG-IBRA?si=SDhJsYCj83XSNY7U&t=1).

But just to reiterate why I've junped back in here: I think the sampling of Teresa Harris and the total re-imaginging of the song is really good! This is definitely one of the good ones!

Quote from: ; on Sep 25, 2023, 22:51

And JRSZ, at least send it to me, I'd love to hear!

fck it, I'll just drop it here for y'all 
It's not that much, but I did a small re-creation of the "Too Hot" rap and put it on top of Magic Wand.

Move to the other category if needed.

Quote from: Csar on Sep 25, 2023, 19:18

If anyone would like the whole thing, let me know.

I'd LOVE that. Thank you so much!

:D

So Wolkenkrabber asked the right questions at the Tom and Ed Q&A in the Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/oct/19/the-chemical-brothers-we-played-on-top-of-a-toilet-block-with-sequencers-on-the-loo):

On your new album [For That Beautiful Feeling], you have reworked an obscure Teresa Harris track. The DJ version (at Amnesia Ibiza) features a Jesse Jackson speech which you previously sampled in your Ariel [Tom's pre-Chemical Brothers band] days. Any plans to release this? OffWorld1

Tom: There is an Andrew Weatherall connection there as well. He used to lay that Jesse Jackson speech down in the acid house days.

Ed: It's from an Aretha Franklin gospel album that Tom got me for my 21st, so it's a sacramental text. We like to make different versions for DJ-ing that we don't necessarily want to release.

Tom: I'd been working on the music and then found this obscure soul funk record by Teresa Harris featuring the Gene Parker Quintet and took the vocal. The power comes from those two worlds colliding in a really odd way. If there's any mad alchemy, we will always pursue it.

Heard this live last night and it was absolutely mind blowing! The power of that synth line genuinely had my hairs standing on end. I hope this gets released as the final single from the album and stays in their live set for years to come because it was a highlight.

Oh God yes. Those droning sounds are something else live. It's a beast!

WAKE UP GOODBYE CREW AS WE'VE GOT TWO REALLY SWEET TREATS:

FIRST ONE IS AN OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO FOR GOODBYE:


THE SECOND IS THE EROL ALKAN'S 9 MINUTE REWORK OF IT: 

:partyG This thoroughly deserved its own music video! 

Quote from: 𝒥𝑅𝒮𝒵 on Nov 03, 2023, 04:21

WAKE UP GOODBYE CREW AS WE'VE GOT TWO REALLY SWEET TREATS FIRST ONE IS AN OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO FOR GOODBYE

INVIGORATING! A new single busting through! Love this visual! Love that buzzing sound! Too bad I couldn't get this at Coach!

Well, that was some experience

Is the video the live visuals? I don't want to spoil anything for the O2 tomorrow!

:luv

Oh, I just saw this morning's tweets thinking I might be first to mention it here. But no; someone was awake at 4am...
Did they sneak this out at midnight UK time without even giving us a tease or heads up?
Ah, YouTube suggests the video was upped 7 hours ago, so that's 4am (without a Heads Up).

So the video is the "Hallmark" video. Has the editing changed since they first started using this at live gigs, or nah?

Thoughts on Erol's mix: it's long but perhaps not as engaging as the BBSG/live version. My mind started to wander around 6:30 onwards. The big beat/breakbeat drums are gone from this version. I'm sure DJs will like it for mixing though.

https://twitter.com/ChemBros/status/1720383689115234531

https://twitter.com/ChemBros/status/1720395645532475750

YT description tells us the video is by Black Dog films (Directed by Smith & Lyall) and provides the lyrics

Spoiler

til we meet again
oh my love
x2
 
oh my love
 
oh my love
 
til we meet again
oh my love
x2
 
oh my love
 
oh my love
 
seems so long my love
when you say goodbye
i cry
 
 
til we meet again
oh my love
x2
 
oh my love
 
oh my love
 
seems so long my love
when you say goodbye
i cry
 
seems so long my love
when you say goodbye
i cry

Oh, looks like people have posted in the past few minutes whilst I was doing this post. Answer to @sneakerbeater 's question is yes.

EDIT: oh there's also an...edit of the Erol rework:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpjpLEiTs4M

Quote from: sneakerbeater on Nov 03, 2023, 11:16

Is the video the live visuals? I don't want to spoil anything for the O2 tomorrow!

Yes, very similar.

Quote from: sneakerbeater on Nov 03, 2023, 11:16

Is the video the live visuals? I don't want to spoil anything for the O2 tomorrow!

Yes, it's the live visuals.

Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Nov 03, 2023, 11:23

Answer to @sneakerbeater 's question is yes.

Quote from: HavanaVegas on Nov 03, 2023, 14:01

Yes, very similar.

Quote from: Stefan on Nov 03, 2023, 15:48

Yes, it's the live visuals.

Well Sneaker, that's three in a row with a reply to your question!

Mr. Party Poop here

I'm lost finding the concept of "Goodbye", and the visual/video doesn't really help. Does it sound different? Sure. But that's two cornerstone type tracks from the more recent albums, that just don't do it for me (other being "Got to Keep On"). And before anyone adds, sorry boys, the Jesse Jackson intro does nothing for me...

I actually think the Erol Alkan re-work is an improvement. In similar fashion, I feel "Fantai" is the superior version of "Got to Keep On". 


Good news is I really enjoy FTBF a lot, but again, "Goodbye" not really a moment I look forward to. Bummer.

I genuinely think this might be one of the CB greatest ever songs, the more I listen to it.

I've played it for a few family and friends who don't mind the Chems more poppier stuff and they've told me it's just a loud noise ... which makes me love it even more. I feel like this song is beautiful and yet truly intimidating when that 2nd buzzing synth kicks in!

Then I witnessed it live last week and it just cemented its greatest. I highly doubt Goodbye will go down as one of their most popular songs but I can see it being a treasured track by us fans.

Goodbye is my favorite FTBF track and one of the brothers' best songs, in my opinion. However, I didn't really like the edited version of the video, as it cut out some of the best synth parts. I don't really like the visuals either, to be honest. It even works well as a backdrop at live concerts, but not as a music video. I didn't feel there was any "chemistry" between those actors and most of the scenes looks kind of generic to me (like toothpaste advertising). Smith & Lyall have done so much better using similar concepts... (like Swoon).
But I'm very happy that Goodbye has reached single status! I also really liked Erol Alkan's remix!

Im kind of with Bosco on this one, feel like a bit of a philistine but not feeling the track at all. Its ok on the album, not one of my favourite tracks, but live, at the gig I just think it kind of evokes sad feelings and brings you down or something. The video is pretty much completely out of kilter with the rest of the visuals at the gig too. 

Maybe I'll come around to it...

Quote from: Bosco on Nov 03, 2023, 18:52

Mr. Party Poop here

I'm lost finding the concept of "Goodbye", and the visual/video doesn't really help. Does it sound different? Sure. But that's two cornerstone type tracks from the more recent albums, that just don't do it for me (other being "Got to Keep On"). And before anyone adds, sorry boys, the Jesse Jackson intro does nothing for me...

I actually think the Erol Alkan re-work is an improvement. In similar fashion, I feel "Fantai" is the superior version of "Got to Keep On". 


Good news is I really enjoy FTBF a lot, but again, "Goodbye" not really a moment I look forward to. Bummer.

I wish the drums were more live sampled/big beat sounding. The synths are raw and noisy while the drum samples choices feel a bit flat. I would like a beat that erupts a bit more and sounds more lively. Kinda like the live sounding drums on I'll See You There or the chorus of Saturate.

Quote from: neorev on Nov 06, 2023, 15:36

I wish the drums were more live sampled/big beat sounding. The synths are raw and noisy while the drum samples choices feel a bit flat. I would like a beat that erupts a bit more and sounds more lively. Kinda like the live sounding drums on I'll See You There or the chorus of Saturate.

Absolutely. What this tracks lacks is a number of individual drum fills and variations of the beat itself. It goes on forever without any real interesting change making it feel like just a loop. Imagine what fills could do it, especially at peak points, it would add more depth and liveliness.

Quote from: Csar on Nov 07, 2023, 11:08

Absolutely. What this tracks lacks is a number of individual drum fills and variations of the beat itself. It goes on forever without any real interesting change making it feel like just a loop. Imagine what fills could do it, especially at peak points, it would add more depth and liveliness.

Yeah I agree too. It reminds me of a lot of nuskool breaks released in the late-noughties. Very rigid beats, not much swing or variation. I'm kind of surprised they'd use beats like this when they're so renowned for live drum samples and arrangements. 

It's still a banging tune though imo. Hearing it live brought a tear to my eye (in a good way)

Quote from: Bosco on Nov 03, 2023, 18:52

I'm lost finding the concept of "Goodbye" ... But that's two cornerstone type tracks from the more recent albums, that just don't do it for me (other being "Got to Keep On"). ...
Good news is I really enjoy FTBF a lot, but again, "Goodbye" not really a moment I look forward to. Bummer.

Well that is a bummer! I promise not to pity your childhood (https://forum.thechembase.com/index.php/topic,2691.msg33996.html#msg33996) because you don't dig the 1970s-meets-2019 (retro-future?) vibes of GTKO, or indeed the Chemical alchemy of melding an old soul vocal with fizzing, epic space synths on "Goodbye", but hey what can you do? If you don't dig it, you don't dig it!

Quote from: hubie on Nov 07, 2023, 11:40

It reminds me of a lot of nuskool breaks released in the late-noughties.

Being reminded of Nu-skool breaks is a good thing! (I would however argue that Nu skool breaks were early noughties, e.g. Plump DJ's Eargasm (https://www.discogs.com/master/32976-Plump-DJs-Eargasm) came out in 2003. By about 2006 I seem to remember Breaks being usurped in the clubs by electro and disco-house. And I wasn't happy!). I have no problem with this sounding like a breaks track. Perhaps I should have christened this thing "Breakbeat Space Gospel" rather than "big beat" back when I first bandied that 'name' about on the forum.

Quote from: HavanaVegas on Nov 03, 2023, 20:03

I genuinely think this might be one of the CB greatest ever songs, the more I listen to it.

Halleluia! - as Jesse Jackson might say.

Quote from: thg on Nov 04, 2023, 03:07

Goodbye is my favorite FTBF track

And another Halleluia!  It is one of the tracks I look forward to most on the album. My only complaint being that it's too short. So I'm grateful to Csar for his recreation of the longer version. I actually prefer Csar's recreation* of the DJ version to Erol Alkan's official rework. Because Erol loses the breakbeats.

Y'know the way some people don't dig the Chems at all? Or the way some people don't dig any form of dance or electronic music - not house, not rave, not techno, not breaks, not electro - none of it. I feel like they're missing out on something there. And that's kinda how I feel when people say they don't like this track!

*Csar did not pay me to say this. Yet.

@Wolkenkrabber

Yeah I know what you mean. I was kind of involved in the scene back in the day and one of the main reasons I felt it was dying out towards the end of the '00s was the overuse of generic and derivative beat programming, like that discussed above (amongst many other things, but I'd better not digress into that too much, I could rant for days on that topic alone!)

It was a big contrast to the (much better imho) earlier period of breaks in the late '90s and early '00s when it was much more creative and had a greater variety of sampled and programmed beats, as it had transitioned from the more 'analogue' sounds of big beat and rave.

As I type this I realise I'm maybe dunking a bit on the beats in Goodbye, which I'm not intending to. I just feel the rigidity of the beat pattern is similar.

Quote from: Wolkenkrabber on Nov 03, 2023, 11:23

someone was awake at 4am...

Sorry not sorry, Insomnia kicks in :D

Quote from: Bosco on Nov 03, 2023, 18:52

I feel "Fantai" is the superior version of "Got to Keep On".

Although I like both a lot, I am a firm supporter of Fantai being the best version of Got To Keep On. It's a crime that is is not playable on Apple Music (in the U.S.).

However, Goodbye is one of my favorite tracks from the current album. I enjoy the full version of Erol's rework as well, but for me the original is a highlight among highlights.

That said, the video does nothing for me.

 

https://twitter.com/ChemBros/status/1730376596752588935

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtqsYbuo0kY

Quick review:

As much as I really like this one (instrumental is just dope, for real!) It's once again the case where it's pretty much a separate track using the same sample.
Also is it only me, or initial sample should begin a few bars later?

The DJ_Seinfeld remix is okay, but not really something I will seek or play. In my opinion, unlike Erol's mix, this one loses the vibe that makes the original special.

Quote from: 𝒥𝑅𝒮𝒵 on Dec 01, 2023, 09:57

As much as I really like this one (instrumental is just dope, for real!) It's once again the case where it's pretty much a separate track using the same sample.

JRSZ - You summed it up perfectly!

Quote from: 𝒥𝑅𝒮𝒵 on Dec 01, 2023, 09:57

Also is it only me, or initial sample should begin a few bars later?

YES! It's a choice, and no sir, I don't like it.

Quote from: satur8 on Dec 02, 2023, 22:17

JRSZ - You summed it up perfectly!

Haha, thx! :D

Erol Alkan just announced a limited run of Goodbye remix released on Phantasy. Get on it!

https://lnk.to/ChemicalBrothersPH133

Edit, I just realised the limited run is just for the Rough Trade version, there's probably plenty of the regular version

300 orange copies exclusive at Roughtrade
https://www.roughtrade.com/en-gb/product/chemical-brothers/goodbye-erol-alkan-rework

Quote from: M_O_N_O on Dec 08, 2023, 10:40

300 orange copies exclusive at Roughtrade
https://www.roughtrade.com/en-gb/product/chemical-brothers/goodbye-erol-alkan-rework

And no "BBSG" (or current live) version on the B-side. Gah! It was the perfect opportunity! Grumble grumble...
It's on Erol's Phantasy label as well, rather than on Universal.

Quote from: gavin35 on Dec 08, 2023, 10:15

Edit, I just realised the limited run is just for the Rough Trade version, there's probably plenty of the regular version

Good point. So 300 500 orange ones via Rough Trade or regular black vinyl elsewhere.
£14 for black vinyl, £18 for orange.
Goodbye (Erol Alkan Rework) on side A and Goodbye (Erol Alkan Instrumental Rework) on side B.

Would I sound like a broken...record if I pointed out how expensive 12" singles are these days? (Rhetorical question; no lectures please!)

Is it just the extended mix or do we also get the edit? Tracklist seems too much these days

Quote from: ThePumisher on Dec 08, 2023, 13:07

Is it just the extended mix or do we also get the edit? Tracklist seems too much these days

Direct from Email today:

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Masterfully bridging soulful vocals and widescreen techno with their typical psychedelic edge, Alkan's interpretation demonstrates his unique brotherhood with Tom Rowlands and Ed Simons. Across a near ten-minute journey, Alkan pushes the Brothers' irresistible synth line further into dissonant analogue bliss, which coupled with celestial breakdowns, already counts as a personal favourite in the London DJ and producer's diverse, enviable back catalogue of reworks. The other side of the record includes Alkan's previously unreleased instrumental.

Quote from: M_O_N_O on Dec 08, 2023, 10:40

300 orange copies exclusive at Roughtrade
https://www.roughtrade.com/en-gb/product/chemical-brothers/goodbye-erol-alkan-rework

Update: Now 500 copies
https://twitter.com/ChemBros/status/1733228723665510428

All 500 orange copies now sold out.
https://twitter.com/ChemBros/status/1733513641683460217 (https://twitter.com/ChemBros/status/1733513641683460217)

Kinda wish they would sell the Erol rework on the Chems store. Could justify the shipping with bundling a few items...

Did anyone else receive this email from Rough Trade? 

Pretty disappointing seeing I ordered both versions within a matter of hours when it was announced - nor does it state which edition..

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Quote from: whitelabel84 on Mar 06, 2024, 03:49

Did anyone else receive this email from Rough Trade?

Pretty disappointing seeing I ordered both versions within a matter of hours when it was announced - nor does it state which edition..

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That sucks. Mine was delivered yesterday in the US. It's a very nice pressing and worth the wait.